: Great news rapper and ballers - MediaTakeOut.com just learned that Joe Budden's girlfriend Tahiryi is officially his ex-girlfriend.
Apparently the couple broke up yesterday. Word is that Tahiri found out about one of Joe's jump offs and decided to end things.
Wanna place bets on how long it takes for her to get a replacement????
just goes to show u dat just cuz u got a big ol azz dont mean u can pull a good man. I know fat ugly bytches who man DONT cheat cuz they hold it down at home, u cant just have a bad shape and think its all good...she is very pretty though, most girls w/big ol booties like dat r ate up in da face. I think these women just needa undastand dat if u dating a famous man chances r he gots jump offs.
like sum1 said b4..don't matter how good u look..u not immuned from getting cheated on..theres always sum1 out there dats badder..and shyt to tell u da truth it aint even bout bein badder..we jus get tired of same ol ussy..real talk..shyt halle was da baddest of da baddest but homeboy cheated on her n I doubt it was wit sum1 badder..niqqa jus got bored..it happens
Well what do you expect when u date a woman whos M.O. is to hook up w/ the next rapper/baller. She was never wifey material esp when she HERSELF went on a radio interview w/ Cherry Martinez blurting out that she has had threesomes and has slept with more than one dude in a day's time. You can be a freak but a wifey would keep her bedroom business private.
Tahiri was all for show w/ Budden anyways. It usually takes more than a big booty to keep a man. She was always at her club promoting her ass and as much as Joe said he wasnt insecure Im sure he didnt respect her as much as he would a woman
Can't say I'm surprised. Maybe she'll go back to Fabulous, or try to get at another dude higher on the industry ladder. All these beautiful booty models walking around, bitches were trying to take on Tahiri. Guess someone knocked her out her game. I don't think Joe ever wanted her for anything more than arm/eye candy anyway to get his name out more and get popularity points. She's cool but I don't think he took her that seriously.
If this is true he didn't want her long term anyway so he's got someone before she will.It used to be shocking when girls this fine get cheated on but now I know it's all part of the game. Unless she's with him 24/7 being in the music industry, too many girls will come around and eventually the temptation is too great. If you can't find a girl to deal with an semi-open relationship it won't work until you get out of the game and totally settle down. At least he can say he had it and get another one just as fine.
How many of the men on this board would hook up with a model right now. Let her do some shoots for a few weeks and actually sit and wait for her to get back and not fck suttin else? Sad some of your infidel capabilities is dependent on looks. When here it is clear in front of you looks aint sh!t.
Some of you niccas sweatin the broad cuz her looks are the same niccas that fight for puzzy. Yall trippin hard.
That's all these ass models get is passed around. JOE was a smart man. he knew she couldn't hold a conversation and he saw her face. she looks like a old lady. he knew she only felt sexy because her ass. so he dropped her and passed her around for one of you lames to have her or for a lame in the industry to fck. shes not important to any of these men. she just going to be passed around the industry. shell have no problem getting a lame now. hell just fck though not wife.
MAD-LAD - your right a [EXPLETIVE] in the hood will only fck that. only hood nggas not real men. she a bird to real men. and real men no shes nothing special. but a dumb chick with a ass not a model. ya your right also shes a donkey. you see how the men disrespect her so soon. just because shes exposing herself and because she got a nasty big ass. they know what a donkey is. your bsolutley right boy
To all yall talking about she fine, azz real big.....whats your point? SHe is a bustdown; plain and simple and typically bustdowns are only used as arm candy or knob polishers and NEVER wifed. This huge assed skank probably been ran thru (like most video "models" and groupies) by a tribe of niccas and yall talking about Joe is dumb? UH WHY? There many more hoes out there itching (literally) to get at him he could have. Hell, she got a louie bag out of the deal, some star rapper's nut coating her throat puzzy and some more lacefront weaves so what is their to bitch about?
True very true little mama
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it's the year of lame a$$ rappers making hoes famous, first Kanye now this chump.
she get enough attention now to break away from dude. u already know how bytches do, she know HIS CAREER aint movin forward.....HERS IS NOW.
PHUCK JOE BUDDEN!!!
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Well I feel like she is a beautiful woman but I just think her rear end is way too big I think that hood guys, basketball players, professional athletes and rappers would desire her because she fits their standard of beauty but not really general america but she is beautiful and I wish her well I don't think that she should put up with weak ass ugly ass Joe Budden cheating that is a no no!
she does not even know how to work her face. her face just reaks come fck me. that's all she good for. her poses are in pornagraphic positions on her knees. why do all these ass modes have to be on the floor in a doggy position. there so degrading to black women. that's why every other race does not respect us because of ghetto pics for ass magazines like this. every pose shes sticking out her ass. she doesn't even care about the rest of her body. tacky
rappers..foot ball players..basket ball players... like her but love and mary real beautiful women...with the total opposite bodies...hood trash boys want her..broke lames want her..busted men want her. that's all who will take her in and spit her out. like joe did. shell continue getting played until she covers up and respect herself. and stop putting herself out there like that. especially for nickels and dimes and pennies.
Its so funny in this yuck face womans twitter. she had the nerve to sya she trusted him. and can someone tell joe how to treat a lady. when your ass is out for the world to see and your in every trashy men magazines or grinding in some video on a rapper. no man I mean no man will take you serious. you did not promote your self as a lady when you was in a thong or undoing your bathingsuit in a trashy mag.
all these big booty girls never can keep a man they love the attention they get but as with anything it comes with a price noone will never take them seriously just make to sleep with them and keep it moving so for all you women thats thinking about enhancing your ass to make it big and out of control be careful what you wish for its not always what it seems proceed with caution
Mister305 and ELZ: If your group is really blowing up as you claim they are,then why the hell do you keep spamming the same garbage here daily at MTO?It seems like you must not be getting publicity in the music biz,maybe ur music really suck.There are plenty of music producers on Myspace that you need to try networking with.We dont care about hearing ur music.Try hiring a manager to promote ur music,clown!
718crooklynstyle: it aint hating if its the truth sweety. your probably the same bich walking around with just a nipple on her chest calling herself all woman. with a alien for a ass. or your a lame [EXPLETIVE] who like men so the little nob she call breast on her chest doesn't matter to you. because its like fckn a 12 year old boy. its the brutal truth. and no im overly sexy little midget with a tumor up there will look like my little bro next to me. ass models have zero on me.
nobody hating on mz rat face with a shitty tumor for a ass. where telling the truth. no man don't want her. you see how yall already runing her through the industry saying 50 want her. video ass models get past around the industry. no matter how cool she is no real man with money will wife her. shes eyecandy not wifey.
HAPPYDAYZ: 50 don't want her either. those type of nggas are smart like Jay. they onlynwife women with the same money they have. this rat face leftover is broke she has no money just a ass. now how many broke hoes with ass is out there. too many right. shes replaceable not irreplaceble. shes a dime a dozen. no talent and no money rat face scary looking circus. that's all she is. hoes like that don't no better. they just no how to spread there legs. they think just because they have a fat ass. they should be royalty. sike. doesn't work like that. you got to earn royalty sweety
LadyTee425: lol what mags. straight hoes aka straight stuntin? those men mags are filled with strippers and pornstarz. no stars just hoes. we only knew about her because of Joe budden. other than that she making no money as a ass model. shes taking pics for free. if she was in ELLE ya the bitch in sweets and close down king. the mag don't even have the money to stay open. lol. you funny for that one. you actually thought she was going to make it anywhere with her ass out.
a real woman has breastd. real women aren't shaped like a gay boy. no breasts and ass. real women has breasts and ass. and inteligents. her physical does not scream woman its screams gay man with a fake ass. because she has no breasts. where is her breasts!!!! all these ass models have zero breasts. there trully a freak. a real women crushes her in the looks and body depqrtment. place her next to me and you will see
daaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy yyyyyyymmmmmmmmmmmm!!! LOL i wonder why everyone likes big donkey azzes nowadays. i used to be so ashamed of mine growing up. kids acted like somethig was wrong with me cuz i had a huge azz. then as i got older men always harrassed me about it so i hated it more. i've worked out SOOO hard, and still...the azz never left... but all these people getting injections n stuff...and all the guys drooling over them? i don't get it. do you realize that is where we shyt from?? lmao seriously!
i dont see how people(especially women) can be such haters. people are calling this girl a ho' saying all she knows how to do is spread her legs when yall dont even know this girl. none of us know who she is as a person, how educated or uneducated she is, who she has or has not slept with... people take a little bit of info(the fact that she is an urban model) and run with it... geesh! stop hatin and work on urself!!
DEEP_EAST_OAKLAND_P: no she groud up in the right place. where ass is wrong. it is wrong. God gave it to us to [EXPLETIVE] to release waste. what is there to love. nasty men love ass. they love [EXPLETIVE].. want so sexy about [EXPLETIVE]. they say they like the cushion why would you want to model your ass for sex. why would you want to be a ass model when men only want to fck your shtty ass.
stesha_doll: let me explain to you. when a woman gets naked infront of a camera. bends over shows her cooch or poses dogy style like shes wating to be fcked. or only posing backwards showing her ass. she is not intelligent. an intelligent woman would no this is wrong qnd thers absolutley no money in showing her ass to men. she knows it will ruin her intelligent future. now I ask you how do you know shes not a hoe. joe buddens knew
@TEENZ...THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH LOVING YOUR BODY...AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING A BIG AZZ..IF GOD GAVE IT TO YOU, THEN HEY WHAT CAN YOU DO..THERE'S PLENTY OF WOMEN WITH DONKS THAT DON'T ADVERTISE THAT..THEY DRESS CONSERVATELY..WHEN A WOMAN DRESSES LIKE THIS AND DOES THIS AZZ MODELING, THEY REALLY ARE GETTING NOTHING BUT NEGATIVE ATTENTION...AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, MEN MAY BUST A KNUT TO THIS STUFF, NO BODY WANTS EVERYONE TO SEE THEIR WOMAN'S AZZ OUT..
DEEP_EAST_OAKLAND_P: us men. when did women have to cater to men. why aren't your hairy ass and balls in a thong on the cover of a magazine catering to us women. when since men need magazines.how about you put on a thong and send it to mto you become a ass model to us women. theses ass models cater to crack heads perverts and prisoners. not real men. those are the only people who buy men magazines. its degrading to women
RedDragon: correct. all these nasty men do when they pick up these nasty trashy men magazines is sit on a tolit and bust a nut on these ass models pictures. these ass models are the lowest form of models. there like parts models. because all they do is model one part of there body rather than all. there ass. they cater to sex like porn. there trash
@sayno2assmodel: "intelligent future" *shakes head*.... look i never said if i knew she wasnt a ho'... my point is we DONT know. we DONT know a damn thing about her other than she used to date joe budden and she is an urban model. just because one feels comfortable enough to choose to take revealing or suggestive picture doesnt weigh in on their intellect. i see men like tyson beckford etc take suggestive pictures with their shirts off and their pants so low their junk is nearly showing and people say nothing about it nor do they question their intellect.
why do men need men magazines. why do men need a magazine period. you perverts. what did you acomplish to have any magazine. why must women walk around naked ruining there future careers for no money. while your fully clothed. lets see your hairy man ass in a thong. lets see you get laughed at for having a big ass. and looked down as ghetto for having a ass. women should never promote themselves in no men magazine or hip hop video. catering to a man like you a accesory not a real woman. dumb woman stop there lives and become a ass model real women laugh at them
DEEP_EAST_OAKLAND_P: I don't know what you talking about. real women cover up and do not have to sell sex to do anything or be anything.. real women take the industry by storm tastefully. real women have a natural sex appeal they don't have to sell sex or anything. birds on the other hand need dumb men like you who wants to send a pic of there hairy chest and ass. you see the pervs you ass models are getting naked for. nasty men with no clue. boy sit your dumb ass down
stesha_doll: you are what I call a dumb btch. you fit right in with the strippers and pornstars who get naked for a living. because your an idiot. if you don't believe being naked in pornagraphic position won't ruin your life as a actor nurse or teacher then you a idiotic fool. you represent the population of stupid hoes or save a hoe. you desperatly want to save this hoe above no matter what. we know where to find you a week from now. with your legs spresd wide open in a mens magazine. looking dumb saying you got it from your mama. did you get stupid from your mama
DEEP_EAST_OAKLAND_P: its not that simple. women aren't blinded by ass like you idiot men. we see a hoe from a mile away. women are raised with a little faness and respect for themselves. real women. real women know when a job isn't paying you money to get the fck out. dumb btches like your little friend your brain washing and ass model above don't know how to be a real woman. they cater to men.
@sayno2assmodel: you calling me stupid.. OH THE IRONY! not only have you failed to make a valid argument, you topped off your ignorant rants with various common spelling and gramatical errors. notice how i was able to engage in conversation with you with out all the cursing and carrying on like an enraged monkey... and you call me stupid? geesh its just an oppinion! you act like i kicked your dog or pissed in your frosted flakes this morning.. lol... calm down why are you so angry?
stesha_doll: you did exactly what a dumb btch idiot would do . confuse the truth for anger. young lady you have not yet showed any intelligence. grammar excellence on a ghetto gossip websit with a ass model is not necessary. you have waste your time if you was trying to reach perfection on here. im not even close to angry. but ill tell ya the truth hurts. I speak the brutal truth. you just don't know how to handle it. if you was so intelligent then why are you supporting a naked circus freak. your a fake a undercover ghetto. only ghetto women love ass models and defend them. you are one
Ass models and vidoe models are the reason today why men and grown men boys and children have no respect for us as women in the street. because they think we all are tip drills like this ass model. that they can swipe a card through our ass because of a video hoe. that's the reason why men try to pull and tug on us women when where minding our buisness. that's why we are looked at as sex objects. not women
why do it have to be such ghetto drama. either you ghetto people believe women who was raised right and who dissaproves of trash has to be hurt by a woman or have no ass. I have double d's and a 46" ass. I can over thrown any ass model and im 5'11. you small minded people ar so full of low self steem you make a average ass model a star.
@deep_east_oakland_p: i am sure she is extremely unattractive, if not physically its her inflattering personality. she(sayno2assmodels) has no class and can not hold a decent conversation let alone debate. women like her feel accomplished when they talk about other women they feel are superior to them looks wise. i never witness men behaving that way towards other men. its a shame
weirdo. I love how ghetto peopl who are mainly dumb. believe because you disagree theres only one of you. like there can't be many people who disagree. lol. these ghetto people be in there own world of shitty ass. he swears theres no one else who doesn't like ass. now why would I do all that on here. ghetto ghetto ghetto
then the silly hoes gonna ask me how I know these ass models are hoes because they are hoes. I always prove you hoe lovers wrong. a real woman don't get naked for free. she covers up. only hoes become ass models then pornstars and are usually strippers. I know what im talking about. and im always right. she proved all yall wrong with the audio. ass models are hoes
So what if a chick [EXPLETIVE] two dudes in one day she's grown and if it was safe no problem --------------------------------------- Really? Most guys I know would have a problem wifing up a chick that has done two different dudes in one day. Mind you I said "wifing" Im sure they would still fukc of course. You wouldn't want the prospective mother of your children boasting that on audio.
@sayno2assmodels: the key words are BROOKLYNLATINA brought proof... not u. it doesnt take away from the fact that you were swearing up and down about this girl and didnt know anything about her. you made assumptions. i dont think anyone else said if she wasnt or was a ho'.. but intelligent people dont assume things about people they dont know. you are classless and ignorant and you need to work on yourself instead of being concerned with others especially those you dont even know.
kingD_atl
Your obviously relatively new to MTO and have no insight, trust I have no problems getting people to "want me" lol. Im established and grown, successful and living in one of the better neighborhoods in NYC and doing it without having to show my goods. Im a mother of a girl and would HATE for my child to glorify this type of behavior or be a part of this use "what u got" craze to get notoriety.
1st of all I noticed when you first started hearing about dis chick on the video blogs wit joe budden u never really seen her face always her rear end bu duggey but when I saw her face I was like nah she's ugly lol and I saw ina video on youtube they was interviewing fabolous and she used to mess with fabolous before joe budden well she might have left his wack ass becuz he tryna diss all these rappers like he pumping out hits or something his last cd flopped hellla hard
what this woman decides to do in her personal life is her business. NONE OF US KNOWS HER DIRECTLY so who is anyone to judge anything that she does especially when we dont know all of the fact. just because brooklynlatina sister boyfriend babymamma daddy uncel grew up with her doesnt mean w an take her info as fact. it is really silly to make asumptions about people you dont know period.
I like how this lame over here keep repeating basic. where basic when ass models are from the hood and still in the hood taking pics for free. ugly ass model up there still lives in newyork. your such a lame looser. you way hype. you keep believing some photoshop and lightning makes thes hoes a star. there still basic living in the hood with no money lame. ghetto ghetto ghetto
Mind you I don't hate on chicks like Kim K or Amber Rose or Gabby Union who also have some checkered pasts. I actually have made some more positive comments about them in the past. I just hate when women stand on soap boxes and try to get some sort of buzz by blasting their sexual exploits in a public forum. Its tacky. Like Megan Fox, or Aubrey O'day and this one here. I was just raised to be discreet about your "freak". lol
stesha_doll
Yes but men don't look at it that way either. If men thought like women it would be a different world. A chick blasts her sex life in public and sadly she does get reduced to a piece of ass. And a rep is hard to put back together. That's what i teach my daughter all the time to be careful how she portrays herself to the public.. Its rare for a hooker to find her Richard Gere a la Pretty Woman. Most times ur just damaged goods especially when it doesn't like like your trying to turn over a new leaf. And especially if it seems like a transparent attempt to get shock value or (cont)
you must be the dumbiest hoe in the world to compare a man to a woman. shes on the radio not private radio telling the world shes a hoe who slept with two men in one day. and you dumb bird justifying lol. comparing a man who talks about sex to a women. women are suppose to be more lady like and have respect not on the radio talking about sex idiot. ghetto
Well, her self esteem must REALLY be in the toilet, if she's making stupid ass comments like "my ass is 100% natural"...as though a big ass makes her "unique"...dumb bitch. On another note....don't you think she would be POSITIVELY SCINTILLATING in "Absolutely Anal" Pt.15?? Just imagine it now..."Cum in my ass...please cum in my ass nowwww....ARGHHHHH!!!!! Pleasant dreams y'all...hoe hoe hoe!
kingD_atl
How old are you? Maybe in your generation men are becoming less judgmental about a woman making her sexual exploits public, but I roll w/ the 30+ crowd and things are perceived very different in my circles. So I will have to take your word for it. The men in my generation seem to think tha only a sprung kat would make allowances for that type of behavior
Ps, I have a relatively big booty for my frame so Im not hating at all on a rounded and shapely behind at all. Its actaully a positive thing to have some meat back there. My gripe is just about chicks like the ones I mentioned above, the Megan Fox's Aubrey Odays and Tahiri's that take me back to HS when the low self esteem chicks had to brag about giving the best head or good pus-c to garner some favor amongst the boys or get some sort of notoriety.
i think it is very sad that women not only give into double standard but play along with it. you all should be ashamed of yourselves. i praise all sexually liberated women and encourage women to not be ashamed of their sexuality. a woman is only damaged goods if SHE feels she is damaged goods. @sayno: u are ignorant to hold one standard for men and another for women.. just ignorant!
@brooklyn I'm 25 and I pesonally wouldn't deal with a chick like the on pictured but who am I to judge her for what she does or admits to doing and yes the majority of men talk about their sexual exploits whether it is at the barber shop or anyplace else and it goes from young to old and so do woman whether you believe it or not but that don't make a chick a hoe
stesha_doll
I used to think like you once. Until I started hanging w/ more male friends (cuz yes, girls can be catty) and had a bunch of male friends from all different walks of life give me insight on a man's brain. And even more after I had a daughter. Giving in? yeah I guess but I'd rather have some dignity esp when my daughter looks up to me than fight the fight and may be mistakenly labled in front of her.I'd rather err on the side of caution and maintain a level of respect for myself and for the sake of my child.
The sad part is that the same people that are calling these chicks hos are doing a whole lot more freaky sh t than her but its cool because no one will know right? Y'all act like hoes only work at strip clubs and do music videos I bet its a ho working in the white house but y'all won't talk about her tho
Lol this reminds me of Jenna James recently saying she wouldn't want to raise a daughter in her old walk of life and her discarding her old way of life and giving up porn after she found out she was pregnant. You just see things in a different light when u become a parent what can I say? And see I actually admire Jenna for that comment.
Actually a lot of these women have children lots of them. but they still are selfish enough to show there ass to the world. majority of them have children. its very slim they don't. because the men leave them after using them just for there ass. it hurts me more when these coward women have children but still show there shiiity ass
stesha_doll
Well when men become less judgmental get a lil bit more mature and open-minded and stop trying to use info like that to ruin a woman's reputation maybe I will stop giving in. i just would hate to be look upon a certain way especially when my child would have some inclusion into this perception.
Mind you I still think it reeks of low self esteem and low pride to feel the need to include the world on your sexual habits. Its just not necessary or classy, be it male or female. i dont mean speaking amongst your friends, I mean being quoted on a national mag or radio or TV int.
Its just crass and uncouth. Imagine if Obama went on an interview and blabbed about all of his sexual conquests and his dik-game..Lol male or female it just looks desperate to get up in front of a bunch of people u dont know and clue them in on intimate things. and that's what i refer to more than anything.
stesha_doll: my baby sister can teach you a thing or too. your a walking air head and people will take advantage of you because your vounuable. you only look at the outsid e rather the inside. then you become mad and defensive. stop waisting time getting mad. and see the point. you are next to be exposed if you don't join in and stop this hoeish acts of modeling. you are next
brooklynlatina: so basically you let the oppinion of men control your actions and oppinions... correct me if i am wrong, but if women did that we wouldnt even be able to vote! my thing is dont but ur way of thinking on others. some people(male and female) find it natural to talk about sex to whomever because it is not held on a pedestal to them and they se it as just another part of life... doesnt mean they have low self esteem, just means that they are more comfortable talking about sex than others.
o basically you let the oppinion of men control your actions and oppinions.. ---------------------------------- When it can interfere with the way my child looks at me or can affect my professional life at work, yes. I tend to believe a person male or female shoudl carry themselves w/ certain dignities, and no talking about sex isnt bad or wrong, but reducing yourself to only that and bragging about your exploits in a vulgar fasion to anyone that will listen is just tasteless, IMO
when these ass models 5 yearold babies get teased in school because mommy ass is all over the men trashy magazines and dirty videos. you tell that poor baby the world is changing an women are hoes now. see if you feel any better when that poor baby cries. because of there coward selfish hoeish mom want to show her ass for men for free. tell that child to suck it up then. you discusting asses
@ brooklyn: i will leave you with this... dont let anyone ever control you. if something is not your style then its not your style, but for you to censor urself because of the oppinions of others is really taking a step back for women. personally its not my style to BRAG about sex but if i am asked a sexual question i answer truthfully because i am not ashamed of my sexuality. my rep has never been tournished because i am and always will be a lady :-)
That sayno chick does not have a life go study since your so damn smart damn go to the club or something but wait it'll probably be some hoes there and plus that's where the cool people are while your at home arguing about a grown azz woman that just wants to show pff what God gave her your so LAAAAAAAMMMMME!!!!!!!
I think everyone on this page can agree that sayno2assmodels has low self-esteem!!! You look a bit derage with all your comments!!! Its a free world people can do what the hell they want to!!! She seems like a cool chick I've met her a few times and she is very smart graduated at the the top of her class!!
Some people are greedy ...with a chick that is beautiful as she is and with a body like she has and the ego says "CHeAT anyway" just greedy!!
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I Dont See Why Women Have The Need To Expose Themselves Like That For Attention Especially For Men . That Makes Us Look Bad && Thats Exactly Why These Bxtches Cant Keep A Man To Save Their Life . Lets Take The Above For Example . I Know Some Of Yall Be Like " Oh She Hatinq On Her && Shxt " Trust I Have Nothinq To Hate On . But Im Beinq Real . Im Tired Of Seeinq These Younq Ladies Take Advantaqe Of Their Body For Some These Sick Twisted Men That Only Care About Gettinq Some From Them .
@ Greekness, if you read my posts I said nothing about supporting those chicks, I said I have in the past made some more "positive" comments about them, meaning I like Kim's fashion sense and think she is pretty and how Amber can carry a bald head-lol. That's not supporting them, or looking up to them or wanting to be like them.
