: MediaTakeOut.com told you yesterday that a man by the name of Maurice Clemmons was wanted for killing 4 Washington State Police Officers as they sat in a diner.
Well as we suspected, police caught up with Maurice last night - and they killed him. According to reports, police located Maurice standing outside of a building in Seattle. They confronted him and he “challenged” them. So they gunned him down.
And after they gunned down the alleged murderer, a Seattle newspaper claimed police, “At the scene, a couple of dozen police officers milled around, shaking hands and patting each other on the back.”
Now we all knew there wasn't NO WAY dude was gonna survive after being accused of killing four cops. If Maurice did it, then he got what he deserved . . . but if he didn't, that is pretty dang messed up.
I mean its a sad story for the police killed but this dude was low life scum he was previously jailed for the rape of a child and had another sentence commuted. He gets no tears from me, I know innocent until proven guilty, but if your innocent why are you running and holed up in your relatives house hideing he did it and he got what he deserved.
Do all blacks have big noses and lips, nappy hair, love nothing but chicken and watermelon, commit crimes, listen to rap all day and collect welfare while popping out 15 babies by all different daddies? Didn't think so. Well, it sounds just as stupid and ignorant to say four people that you don't know from a can of paint deserved to die for sitting in a coffee shop simply because they were cops. Ignorance knows no limits...Stereotyping is wrong. Just like calling each other the N-word, just being black doesn't make it any better to say it or practice it.
Where are all da police "right fighters" at now??? LMFAO! They were standing around patting each other on the back 4 a job well done... N I was suppose 2 feel sorry 4 the 4 dead 1's b/c..?? It's that EXACT behavior that has 4 of 'em dead! ha ha They only got him {which he & we all knew} so HE still won da gun fight!! Yea my last comment was harsh but not as harsh as the 100'S of blk families suffering without their brothers, fathers, uncles etc.
****NEWS FLASH**** Police CHOOSE 2 have this "job"!! They KNOW the risks, they accept the risks & the families live with the CHOICES of these police
Further more, we {meaning the community} KNOW how the police feel about us = ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS! Now the 4 who killed him didn't have that right just b/c they are police, they were 2 obtain him & bring him in. LMFAO! We all know that wasn't gonna happen, jus like we ALL KNOW mad blks will pay 4 his actions now.{I've been praying 4 all my people n Washington} The problem is when u have 1 time that is more corrupt, violent & racist than the 1's they are suppose 2 be taking off da streets & ABUSE their power this vicious cycle continues! @GODZULU AMEN COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTA!!!!
Like I said....maybe those cops got it b/c of karma. Too many unarmed black men getting gunned down by cops, shot in the back. Like that young man in the subway, handcuffed faced down, shot in the back, caught on video. That unarmed Louisiana kid gunned down in front of his relatives house shot in the back several times.
One bad cop spoils it for them all. Then all this patting each other on the back....are they patting b/c they caught a killer or a black man.
N finally, I'm SOOO TIRED of hearing he's a rapist, yea that's deplorable n NEVA EVA would I imply that's ok!!! Howeva 4 tha 1's sayin he was a rapist he deserves it, WHAT DO DA POLICE DESERVE WHO RUN UP ON BLACK MEN & EXECUTE THEM ON SITE EVERYDAY??? {Yes I'd like a answer} I'm tired of hearing he's a rapist b/c that's NOT what the story is or was about it was about him killing 4 pigs! TRUST his past doesn't play a role n y da 4 pigs killed him last night! smdh
Poor police officers.puttin themselves in danger everyday tryna protect and serve a bunch of stupid muthafuckahs who have it programed in their head that they are out to get them...thats a [EXPLETIVE] mentality 4 u.they really shouldnt have let him out of jail as many times as they did..crazy muthafukka..
It's a shame how we have so many corrupt cops out here and it's making it hard for the good cops. I think that a LOT of people have been mistreated by a LOT of dirty cops then good cops. Now when certain things happen some people don't have any sympathy for them because they've had some bad experiences with some of them. The good always have to suffer with the bad. Smh
@TexasGlamourChic
Condoning - Look it up ma. I'm not "condoning" ANYTHING I'm merely stating thee OBVIOUS= White cops EXECUTE black men EVERYDAY & NEVA go 2 prison NOR do the EXECUTED BLKS have people making charity accounts 2 pay 4 their funerals!!! You said "Just because they were white doesn't mean they were crooked ass cops" RIGHT jus like ALL THE BLK THAT MURDERED by PIGS ARE CROOKED, DRUG DEALERS, RAPIST, GANG MEMBERS ETC??? You sound ridiculous! P.s. What he did mad years ago WASN'T THE NEWS STORY HIM MERKING THEM CRACKAS WAS!!!! Stop tryna defocus & distract from the news story..
See the gang(police) are worse than the military. The psycho that went postal and terrorist in Ft. Hood lived. I knew they wouldn't gone let this man make even if he hadn't (challenged) them. I'm not supporting this dude, but the police are a mess. I hope they were patting their back that it was over and not that they killed this man. I wish he would have lived to find out why would he just walk in a place and kill four police officers. Did they do something to him in the past or did he suffer from a mental illness. Maybe his family knows something.
@texasglamourchic, i have to disagree with you. i live in nyc, and i see way to many brothers get gunned down and the police get away with it! i also used to woek in the pd and i seen some terrible *hit go on! did you here of the sean bell case,elenor bumppers and the list goes on and on. i was looking out the window this kid got shot in the head and the cops put the cuffs on him! come on now, what part of the game is that? and i assume that you live in texas, they give *iggers out there the death penalty like its a new style of clothes! im sorry i just cant get behind caring about no poli
LOOKIN AT THOSE COPS PIC MAKES ME SAD..SAD THAT THEY LOST THEIR LIVES OVER FOOLISHNESS AND NOW THEIR CHILDREN DON'T HAVE A MOTHER/FATHER ANYMORE...IT'S SAD THAT PPL DON'T HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THESE PPL..IT'S SAD THAT THEY BASE THEIR DECISIONS ON WHAT OTHER COPS HAVE DONE..ACTING LIKE WHITE COPS ARE THE ONLY CROOKED COPS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, ALL WHITE PPL NEED TO DIE..IT'S A DAMN SHAME..IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF THESE MURDERS, WHITE PPL SHOULD NOW HATE ALL BLACK PPL BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF ONE DUMB MUTHAPHUCKA..NO MATTER THE RACE, WRONG IS WRONG..THERE IS NO WAY U CAN
@TexasGlamourChic What happen 2da definition of condoning ma?? LMFAO @u. 2answer your ?{b/c clearly your not competent enough 2answer ANY of mine} How n da hell am I gonna say ur not focusing on the story @ hand?? B/C YOUR WHOLE ENTIRE CASE IS HE'S A CHILD MOLESTER!!! Which ISN'T&WASN'T the story! That's how the hell I can say that. LOL ok..! Me stating that MANY MANY BLK MEN ARE KILLED DAILY BY 1TIME is the REASON I PERSONALLY DON'T N WILL NEVA FEEL 4THE4DEAD PIGS OR THEIR FAMILIES! THEY MADE A CHOICE2B A COP funny u don't have ish 2say about that! LOL N me stating MY OPINION ISNT "COMPARING"
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.....JUSTIFY WHAT MAURICE CLEMONS DID..YOU MUST BE A REAL CLOSE MINDED, IGNORANT, P.O.S, IF U CO-SIGN WHAT HE DID..IF THIS WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND IT WAS A WHITE DUDE THAT KILLED 4 COPS, EVERYONE WOULD BE UP IN ARMS..THAT FOOL REV. SHARPTON WOULD BE ALL OVER THE PHUCKIN NEWS AND NEWSPAPER..SO LET'S STOP BEIN NAIVE AND FEEL THAT EVERY WHITE PERSON HAS WRONGED A BLACK PERSON...THIS FOOL IS DEAD...AND NOW THE COPS HE KILLED CAN REST IN PEACE...
I don't give a fukk if he killed 200 cops, their job is not to exact punishment. It is to enforce the law. You do wrong, they are to apprehend you and bring you to justice (LoL). They are not to get revenge. They are supposed to use deadly force in the protection of human life. No other time.
These cops took the law into their own hands and administered punshiment how they wanted to. But it's okay cuase he is free....
There's no IF. He did do it. When he walked up on those cops the cops were reviewing a case that had to do with him and/or his family. Coincidense? I think not. And if he is gonna walk up on 4 cops and kill them all no tellin what he woulda done to one of us just because he was mad.... so I'll sum it up with, u live by the sword, u die by the sword.
-GODZULU-~ In order to get the system to work right we should all go out and kill 4 cops. Please if your going to take a stand for black people let it be known that I don't need someone like you to take a stand for me. I understand your anger but there's a right way to go about changing things for the better.
If he was white I believe he would have been killed also. I totally agree with the police killing him. Americans have no respect for authority! How the fucckk are you going to just go and shoot 4 fucckking people!!
They should print a poster of his ass lying on the ground with police officers standing over him with there guns pulled saying "Kill A Cop and This Will Be You Laying Here”!!
The police officers should have not celebrated over this persons death in public. I know this scum bag was a threat to all us, and he killed 4 officers but the police must act professional at all times. I will not defend Maurice. Not all cops are bad but this guy was. He was a violent past offender, and a murderer. I'm not ever happy when someones die, but with all the damage this man was doing to people and cops, he had it coming, and he got it...Due Process is for people who are not caring a dead cop's gun, bleeding from a torso shot in a stolen car.
I can't believe how many ignorant comments on this page praising this sick animal who murdered these 4 police officers. You people that praise this man are truly sick individuals that need to probably be shot yourself. I know I can always come to this sight for a good dose of ignorance and hear the low life comments of some of my fellow americans. The rest of you that feel that what this man did is deplorable and got what he deserved I am right there with you. MAY HE ROT IN HELL WITH SATAN B/C THAT IS WHERE HIS ASS IS BURNING!!!!
Does it occur to anyone that once again the actions of this one man tarnishes all black people... Aren't any of you concerned about this? It is so messed up that in spite of having a black man as the president of the most powerful country on we black people still cannot raise our game.
What a waste of life and potential
@TexasGlamourChic
When did I "insult" you? {since perception IS reality} N obviously you don't have time as u call it {lmfao} 2 decipher my point{s} it's clear in your responses 2 others. 2ndly, I NEVA called you a name ma {LMAO this is all so very 3rd grade! u called me a name dont talk 2 me nemore! lmfao} I don't need 2 use name calling 2 get my points across unlike you "you're an idiot bitch,". I understand u have NO FACTS NOR BASES 2 debate with me therefore u give up & call me names while complaining bout me insulting you... *Gives u a power hug*
IMO, they don't go all out to protect anyone but their own. Plain and simple. Eye for an eye should go for ALL not just for them, but hey who am I just a lonely tax paying citizen. Did cops gun down the guy who raped and murdered Shaniya or her mother who sold her? Of course not, because neither, nor the child was one of their own. Protect and serve when it suits them. Their Karma and judgment is in GOD's hands now cause we know UGLY is not accepted. It's situations like this is why people like Clemmons gunned down cops. Never saying it's right but if they can't see this? Damn!!
@TexasGlamourChic
My slang is mimizie the amount of words I use so I don't have 2 keep re- commenting, ANY1 with at least 2active stems above the brain could have figured that out!!!! wow! lol n finally YOU'VE cursed many more times than me = go check. I'm done wasting my time on u ma, you certainly aren't ready 4 what I given you... Have a blessed day! @GODZULU Ima try that 1 thankx @DCSTILLHERE Don't generalize ALL women pa, jus like I would neva say ALL MEN_____. I get & agree with GodZulu on EVERYTHING he posted on this story. So don't count us ALL out papi!! LOL
MTO Y'ALL ARE SOME MAFUKKIN LIARS I LIVE IN WASHINGTON STATE HE CAUGHT TRYING TO STEAL A CAR ON 44TH AND KENYON IN RAINIER VALLEY, THE OFFICER TOLD HIM TO SHOW HIS HANDS TWICE AND HE WOULDN'T THEN RE STARTED TO RUN AND THE OFFICER ON THE SCENE SHOT 7 ROUNDS.......SO BEFORE YOU MAFUKKAS POST SHYT GET THE FULL FUKKIN STORY SMH!!!!!!
Last thing, what's the point of having a justice system in place if the men/women sworn to uphold it choose not to?
Will Huckabee be held accountable in anyway for giving clemency to Clemmons 10 years ago? Doubt it, but hey he was going for a clemency record, so it seems...I know who won't get my vote in 2012.
WHY did they murder the SUSPECT? what happen to innocent till proven guilty? yeah right! see this is what i'm saying. if he was white it would have been written off as him being mentally unstable or sum dumb shyt. I wish he would put down 4 crooked NYPD's 1st. Then his death woulda meant something. Sad story. Pigs, I mean police have been murdering Black Men for decades without good reason let alone REASON. I feel no remorse. My prayers to his family or anyone that loved him.
@TexasGlamourChic If that's the case then u'd b n pre head start b/c u can't even come at me with ANYTHING of SUBSTANCE which is y YOU resorted 2 name calling! lol That's all u can say?? I'm not surprised! Jus continue 2 be a sexual abuse victim & of terrible schooling. 1 *Laughs & prays 4 those who r lost*
I don't know the circumstances surrounding this man's death, whether or not the police shoot him in cold blood or if he exhibited violent behavior. If the police killed him without justification, then they are just as in the wrong as he was for killing those officers. Regardless of the circumstances, I do know that we SHOULD NOT be making this man into a martyr or placing him on a pedestal for his actions. He wasn't some kind of political activist rallying against police oppression, he was a violent criminal with a rap sheet a mile long. Stop praising him like he was a freaking hero.
u cant take a case like this and play the race card. There are many other factors that cause these types of random violence. I think it has more to do with his psychological rather than his skin color. WE as black folks have a lot to get together but this type of thing happens a LOT unfortunatley and its not usually black ppl who do it..sooo go figure and stop hating
Modern Day Abolishionist Moment!.You fight back,you Run,You Perish!..All that was missing was the Dirt Road and Moss on the Trees!.The Police were out to KILL HIM.Even tho they were SUPPOSE to bring him in alive,they of course bypassed all laws and delivered their own justice! If a BLACK Professor of HARVARD goes to jail for "Talking BACK" to a cop,Did you think he would come out of a "COP KILLING" Manhunt Alive?.Black Men,You have a target on your back! Get rid of it by getting your life right!Get Educated,Set Goals,Open Businesses and Rebuild Your Communities!Or is this the only way out?
Even if he did do it he didn't get what he derserved!! he was still supposed to go to trial & through the legal motions AS another other american citizen. Pigs arent supposed to take law into their hands and killl him EVEN though WE KNEW they would. "Challenged" them my ass. They would say that. White ppl commit the MOST heinous crimes & go to trial. Cops don't find them and kill'em. If he was white he woulda been shot in the arm or leg for "challenging" them & arrested with normal court motions & procedings. They was gon kill him even if they found him
This whole incident shows why he was killing cops to begin with. The cops murder a suspect. At any given time, they can decide your fate. Whether to kill you, frame you, take all your money, damage your property, or just whoop your azz. Sorry, but I'm from a place where black men are racially profiled, harassed, and killed all the time. For those who don't see it, good for you.
I absolutely know for a fact now that MTO is owned and operated by white funds. With a comment like a "Black man got what he deserved" by the hands of white cops who still smash the heads in of innocent women and children and bomb churches with little girls. Arrest Black men, terroize our communities. And any Black person who sympathizes with those Beasts, I wanna see what you think in the comings months/years when martial law hits full force and the new great depression when Black people are open game again. We still are game in the land of Devils, but some of you would rather DIE than to
@ latinamami. Whoa dont u think ur comments r a little harsh. These people serve our community everyday and deal with emotional trama thats unimaginable. Yea we have had a few bad apple in the system but we should respect them for putting there lives on the line for people they don't even know, everyday. I'm sure if u were in any physical danger inside ur home theyd b the first people ud call. ONE LOVE 2 EVERYBODY... BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC, STREET THUGS TO OUR EVERYDAY HEROS <3
Than to unite and protect each other. FOOLS. What do you think you see all the construction on the roads for, they are reinforcing the streets so tanks can roll through and treat Black people like wild game again. Yall took the bait and now it's time for the Devils to collect. Shameful. Love and Unite with Self or DIE! Point Blank. All you rainbow and we shall overcome so called negroes we need yall on the front line of love so when they mow yall down all the Real Black people can mobolize and prepare!
@-GODZULU-~ I went back and re-read your post. I apologize that’s not what you said nor implied, although I still disagree with you when it comes to this particular case. In my opinion he deserved just what he got. If you’re that passionate about cops mistreating civilians then take a stand against it go out with your video camera, write your congressmen, and report your finding to internal affairs. To be ok with a man killing 4 people obliviously you must have been mistreated by them or someone close to you. He was wrong. The bastard was granted clemency by a white man.
You said “One day our people will understand. Right now it seems they don't”. Understand what?
This case is open and shut no room for discussion. Anyone who knows me knows that I would be the last person in line to advocate for whitey, they are not my favorite people.
Also let me say I understand your black power attitude although I think your channeling it at the wrong time.
His tombstone should read “Here Lays A Dumb Motherfucckker”!!
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RIP Maurice for the nightmare is over. And, while I do not condone killing, I do recognize that there are a lot of cops who are uneducated, and crooked as hell. They abuse their power, commit crimes, and frame people.
I'M SORRY BUT I DO NOT FEEL BAD FOR THE OFFICERS WHO DIED. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM IS THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS TO BLACK PEOPLE DAILY. IF THAT MAN IS A CHILD RAPIST THOUGH I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR HIM EITHER. TAKING THE INNOCENCE OF A CHILD, HE DESREVES TO DIE. [EXPLETIVE] THE CROOKED ASS POLICE I'M IN WAHSINGTON AND COPS AROUND HERE ARE LOOKING PRETTY NERVOUS LATELY. I LIVE A FEW BLOCKS FROM WHERE IT HAPPENED IN THAT FORZA, YOU KNEW HE WASN'T GONNA LIVE.
Just last week here in Philly a black guy was sentenced to death for killing a police officer. He was robbing a Dunkin Donut the police officer walked in and he shot him in the head killing him. The officer was white. I actually felt back for the black guy.
You do dirt you get dirk! You live by the sword you die by the sword!! And eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth!!
I'm still questioning the validity of the child rapist story. there are too many holes in that story. First nobody came to the forefront with the accusations, then all of a sudden after they are looking for him then all of these charges surface. Let's just say for arguement sake that the devil is telling the truth and he did rape that child. This would be an indictment on the Black community and shows hypocrisy that whites would put a rapist of a white child all over the news but the Black baby's news comes out only after they need to build a case on him. White people can make up any lie about
me and you and I guarentee you 95% of the world would believe it to be true because white people and the white news said it is true. We are at the mercy of the BEAST and I don't feel sorry for not a single one of our slavemaster's children who still don't give the so called african american freedom, justice, and equality under the banner of the united snakes of amerikkka. I would NEVER side with the Devil over my own people. If this brother was guilty who are the white people to enact justice when they deem fit. This goes back to ourselves as Blacks. We have to unite and police ourselves.
I HEARD THIS DOG WAS SUPPOSE TO BE LOCKED UP FOR 95 YRS AND GOT A PARDON OR WHAT EVER IT IS THEY SHOULD LET HIS AZZ ROT THE FIRST GO ROUND NOW THESE FAMILIES HAVE LOST THEY'RE LOVED ONES IT'S A SAD SHAME AND I'M GLAD HE'S DEAD ISTEAD OF SITTING ON DEATH ROW AND HAVING A LENGTHY TRAIL WASTING OR TAX DOLLARS GOOD RIDENCE AND MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE FAMILIES AND RIP TO THE OFFICERS LOST!
When a police officer goes to work, his or her goal is to make it home alive that night. Ask any officer and they will tell you that. Officers are taught to shoot to kill. Can you blame them. This mofo had already killed four cops. I wouldn't have aimed for a knee or arm. Shoot that monster in the heart or the head. He was a demon who preyed on children. I'm glad he suffered for a day with a gun wound before they finally put that animal down. Good for them. High-five away. Wrong is wrong and he did wrong.
@Texasglamourchic. u r so ignorant. Undocumented pple come over 2 work. not 2 live off welfare like whites. If u dont want them doing the shitty jobs Amerikkkans dont want, why dont u get up and pick fruit for pennies. BE thankful for their cheap labor...cus That way ur lazy ass can pay $1. and change for a lettuce instead of $5.00 Since they cant claim taxes it all goes back to the govnt. So what r u contributing thats much more important? And thats what COPS do...they celebrate everytime they kill or send a black to jail. someone need to do the same to TXglamourchic..so being so ignorant!
@ ELTAH_08---I hope I read ur comment wrong cuz u sound like a simple A S S--B I T C H! HTH could u wish that a RAPIST who EXECUTED "4" cops for no reason at all get away?
------Wonder if it had been ur family/friend that he killed would u be making the same DUMB A S S REMARKS?.....WHAT IS WITH U PPL?
Overall it sounded like dude was mentally ill. He was released from prison after serving 17 years of a 95 year sentence. Do the math... I know dudes that got busted for a little krills and they are going to do every bit of that 25 to life. Judicial system failure. Let him go free, he offs four cops (I have no love for the beast, I feel for their families & pray for their souls), then 5-0 holds court in the streets. Sad all around... Huckelbee released him (go figure).
Honestly we have come to an age where everybody feels as if wer the victim of something or another. Even on our worst days thr is someone on the otherside of the world that has it a hundred times worse. We are truly blessed to be here in America. White people arent going back to Europe and Black Americans arent flocking to Africa any time soon. With that being said lets stop bashing the system because for the most part, it works... Thousands of people are excuted everyday in other countries just for thr beliefs.I'm not sayin that it's perfect but lets stop it and start uplifting ourselves.
@SheebaBaby,
I remember when that brutha got rid of those 4 cops in Oakland. He ran up in his sisters apartment after he did it.
Those crackkkas in the Bay Area were talking sideways about his younger sister. She didn't do anything to those devils.
Also, BART Police killed that brutha Oscar Grant while 50 people recorded it.
Sounds like that whole Northwestern part in the United States (Bay Area,California/Portland,Oregon/Seattle,Washington is one big racist shyt hole.
Candace, there is so much mental illness in the Black community, and I am tired of Black brother dying at the hands of cops.
Get educated brothas; go back to school, and start off in remedial classes if that is what it takes to start your learning process. And don't listen to anyone who puts you down for what you don't know..
Get educated!!
LIKE WE ALL DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE GONNA KILL HIM. pOLICE ENFORCE THEIR OWN JUSTICE ALLTHE TIME PERIOD.
THAT IS WHY MOST DID NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THE WHITE FOLKS. BLACK FOLSK ARE GUNNED DOWN VICIOUSLY BY POLICE (SEAN BELL). NO REASON AND GET OFF.
WHO CARES
POLICE NEVER ENFORCE REAL JUSTICE JUST THEIR OWN!!!!
@tickledpink---- easier my behind. The cops did taxpayers a favor. It costs a million dollars to kill someone through the legal system. Clemmons did it. We all know he did it. AND the dude was a child raping excon??? This guy's time was up and if the cops didnt do it thered be a long line of people ready AND WILLING to gut him at first chance. Im number 68 and i would do it eyes closed.
my Town been crazy latley / 5 killed police in 2 months heres the newspaper article yall are trying to quote
Maurice Clemmons, the suspect wanted in the slaying of four Lakewood police officers, was shot and killed in South Seattle early this morning by a Seattle police officer making a routine check of a stolen car. The shooting occurred about the same time as Pierce County sheriff's detectives took into custody a man believed to have acted as a getaway driver in Sunday's slayings of the Lakewood officers. Police also booked four people into jail on suspicion of providing assistan
allahuakbar - STFU. You really think any of us are buying your tired ass rhetoric?
This ain't 1960, ni66as like you are a joke. And I bet your punk a** calls the cops when you are getting robbed, and then complain they didn't get there fast enough. LMAO
And yes, the murderer and rapist got killed, but only after being caught near a stolen vehicle with a GUN, being told to drop the weapon, and trying to run away again. Stop pretending they just walked up to him and blasted him you gd morons...
Yall some dumb sell out coon ni.g.gas if yall praisin the cops for killing this supposed SUSPECT that happen to be YOUR OWN BROTHER a BLACK MAN. Shyyt aint no wonder black people aint gettin no respect. as long as we coonin and grinnin in YTs face he will forever frown on our lame cowardly "yessir massa" asses.
@SoSerious4Life- babydoll i know why you think mto is lying bout them pattin each other on the back for killin this n.igg.a. they did that shyyt aand aint no telling what kinds of coon black tar and N.I.gg.er words they used while the man lay there dead. smh. triflin.
MENTAL ILLNESS IS SO SAD , HE HAS BEEN DEALING WITH MI FOR YEARS . ONE SECOND AND U CAN SNAP. FOR ALL THE RELIGION NUTS WHO WILL CALL HIM CRAZY YOUR GOD CREATED HIM CORRECT SO STOP BEING A HYPOCRYPT . PRAY FOR THIS BROTHER WHO HAS SUFFERED TO LONG AND THOSE COPS AND GUARDS WHILE HE WAS IN PRISON PROBABLY AGGRAVATED HIM TO MUCH AND HE SNAPPED
Everyone's ranting and raving about this guy getting killed by police. HE KILLED 4 innocent people!? He raped a child??(rapist should be killed for that alone) And we sit here and boo whoo because cops were glad that cought him? Im glad they caught him!! Its ashame and unbeliveable the day and age we live in that RACE is always our excuse when we have no other argument??!? I grew up in the household where you were not aloud to use our race as an excuse..if you didnt get something or something didnt go your way you didnt complain, you worked harder.
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i know know why you jumpn at that brotha for sayin his piece. the supposed rape charges on maurice do seem kinda suspect. i aint saying them cops deserved gettin gunned down cuz dont nobody deserve that shyyt but bottom line we dont know all the facts bout this story. yall coons think maurice shot these cops for no reason? maybe maurice is the uncle or daddy of Sean Bell what yall know? Maybe Maurice is the daddy of that 15 year old black kid that got shot in the back by law enforcement. aint no tellin
Why we always give white folks benefit of the doubt but for this brotha w
I can't believe that every one on here are saying this was okay! This is sad, the man was crazy and allowed to be out off medication! He was sick! The system failed him, and those dead cops! A failed system is to blame!!!! And I dond see how any one can justify killing another person. I will pray for everyones loss and hope the families.
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I feel bad for the loss of the cops families too but i also feel bad for the loss of sean bells family, amalio family and other black families that lost their loved ones senseless at the hands of cops simply cuz they black. like i said, that shyyt aint right. the cops didnt deserve death and i would never wish that on nobody but when does the phrase 'we reap what we sow' come into play? did the cops 'reap what they sowed'? did them fort hood troops and those in iraq killin arabs and innocent civilians 'reap what they sow'. shyyt thats why we gotta be careful how we treat other peop
Some, no MOST of the comments on here are downright IGNORANT!! How in the hell can anyone condone kiiling 4 people, cops or not!!??!! I dont give a rats azz whether molestation allegations were true or not, does that give you the right to kill 4 people? RIGHT OR WRONG, DUMB AZZ ACTIONS LIKE THIS ONLY GIVE COPS "JUSTIFICATION" TO MURDER MORE BLACK FOLKS. These gutter negroes only make it harder for good, law abiding black folks. Im so tired of the "slave mentality".... yall need to DO BETTER!!
@jasmine-- i dont give a flying fuqq what color the rapist/killer is or was. The cops couldve been high yella for all i care, im just happy that one less pedophile/crazy muthaphucka is off the streets. And for that, i dont care if they high fived themselves til their next donut break-- they did a good job and justifiably homicided (poor grammar on purpose) that giant threat to society.
mizzglass
Yo ass need to be cussed out but because im a lady im finna tone it down for ya. first off we dont know if Maurice raped that 12 year old girl. secondly Huckabee aint give Maurice no clemecy for nothin. brotha must not of done nothin that bad if Huckabee pardoned him and released that ni.gg.a from prison. third maurice was an alledged suspect dam. we dont even know if he did the shyyt or not. the news dont even know. they said hes an alleged suspect. dam black folks alwways wanna team up with yt. yt aint studdin our asses. them cops unjustifiably shot maurice and because of they r
And how does this make them any different from him? Murder is a murder and ALL who commit them are murderers. A badge doesn't give them a right to bring forth justice as they see fit.
How do they know for sure it was him who murdered those cops? Did he confess at some point that I have yet to read or hear about? I'm not gonna be quick to trust a white person's word of his guilt because to them we all look alike. By 'we all' I mean black people.
And another thing....
MTO making a big deal over the cops shaking hands and patting each other on the back are not getting it. The cops were not happy they killed a black man, they were happy the nightmare this crazed fool put the city through was finally over.
Think about it, an ex-con killer on the run who is armed and has nothing to lose. I'm sure if you lived in Seattle you would have been praying this lunatic didn't show up on your block. Damn hypocrites. The fact is, police do more good than bad and most of you complaining could never even do the job they do.
And Jasmine...wow, you are just too easy lol.
"Allegedly"? Ya, I'm sure there's alot of guys running around with a police officer's gun in their hand and a bullet wound from 2 days ago. Face it, they got the right guy, and your apologists attitude towards him just because he is black says that you can't see past color in ANY situation.
GTFOH
Stop trying to compare bad cops in NY to other cops. Last I checked, cops were individuals. To lump them all in the same category is as stupid as lumping all blacks in the same category. Way to fight ignorance with more ignorance. Dumba**..
@mizzglass
what the hell was Maurice motives for shotin these four cops dead? Oh yeah thats right we aint eva gonna know cuz they couldnt wait to shoot that black man down like an animal. Now we aint got no answers and the poor families of these cops aint eva gonna know why this brotha (allegedly) shot four cops out the clear blue
This is such a sad story... all of these deaths and for what?
I don't agree at all with the cops shooting him, but we don't know what he did before they shot him... he may have acted like he was going for a gun or whatever... we don't know. I don't believe that cops should play judge and executioner at all, but like I said... we don't know what went down.
But he was on the run for how long?...How come he didn't just RANDOMLY shoot and kill Cops as he dare to be taken alive?.If it was ALL about killing cops?..Why single THOSE four cops out?...Why not Ambush ANY cop that morning?..Just Like Jasmine said tho...They killed him without finding out...WHY?.And silenced him before he COULD talk...What are the patrons of the Coffee shop saying...They Had to see something WAS it him?...Uh uh..That was a HIT!...He was a SCAPEGOAT becoz of his record..they planned that from the release.ooooo.
@PRETTYGIRLAKA15 THE EVIDENCE WAS THAT ONE OF THE COPS THAT GOT KILLED ACTUALLY SHOT HIM. SO WHEN THEY FOUND HIM HE HAD THE WOUND AND WAS LIMPING OBVIOUSLY AND ALSO HAD ONE THE COPS GUNS WHO HE KILLED ON HIM. AND HE ALSO WAS ON THE RUN FROM COPS. HOW MUCH MORE EVIDENCE DO YOUR DUMB ASS NEED? ALOT OF US BLACK PEOPLE ARE STUPID MAN. IF YOU LIVE GOOD. LEGAL AND JUST COOPERATE WITH COPS.NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD ARGUING AND GETTING PHYSICAL POSING A THREAT. JUST RELAX AND STFU. YOU WILL NOT WIN WITH A COP ARGUING
MzJSUFan
Thats right the news said Maurice was the 'alledged' shooter. shyt they said that shyyt on FOX news and we all know how racist FOX news is. EVEN on kkk FoX they said Maurice was 'alledgedly' the shooter. On CNN they said Maurice was a 'person of interest' and the cops wanted him for 'questioning'.. Thats right. simply questioning. nan one of the news sources said Maurice was the shooter. whats with that if they knew Maurice had in fact killed 4 white cops? somethin dont smell right bout this story
@Jasmine4u YOU SOUND SO STUPID. A MOTIVE? LOL A MOTIVE? A MOTIVEE? TO KILL FOUR PEOPLE. A MOTIVE? AND "ALLEGEDLY"? LOL. YOUR MOTIVE IS TO KILL.. IF YOU SHOOT FOUR PEOPLE EXECUTION STYLE. DEFIANTLY NOT SELF DEFENSE. SO WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM? "O THE COPS WERE FALSY ACCUSING ME. SO I SHOT FOUR OF THEM"LOL
Coffeecolor
Thats what im thinking. im thinkin maurice was a scapegoat in all this. too many unanswered questions. they just shot that brotha on the spot.. hmm something seem like a cover up or a set up one. Shyyt even with Malvo and John Muhammad the cops brought them ni.ggas in for questionin and those ni.ggas had killed over ten white people.. shyyt somethin at right bout this case with maurice.
GREEKNESS
k. he had a dead cops gun on him and a bullet in his gut and several witnesses that show that shyyt go down yet with him being injured in the gut he still had time to retrive a dead cops gun and run away from the scene of the crime all the while there are several witnesses who say his ass limp away with that injury and they didnt tackle him or do shyyt? dont make sense
That's some Star Chamber...L.A.Confidential type shyt right there!....Sommin ain't right.How the hell he got out of a house that was suppose to be surrounded?...That's becoz they NEVER knew his whereabouts to begin with!...He was on the run becoz he realized he'd been set up!..what better person to nail it to than someone who had such an extensive rap sheet?..I will not believe the rape story until i see a family member back up the allegations on Larry Kinng!
Who said he was injured?...The Cops?....After they shot his azz fulla holes i guess he WAS injured!...Coz if they don't have an independent EYE witness to say he was limping from a previous GUNSHOT wound THEY could have been lying just to kill him..He was DEAD how the hell was he gonna say..."but I didn't do anything!?"...We'll never really know, now will we?...
Please Ms. Jasmine listen to urself... No one will respect what u have to say because ur in attack mode. Sure ur angry and mabe u have experienced some hardships in ur life with the system. But like Omen said u cant put all officers in one category. The same way I'm assuming u dont wanna be. The story is very tragic and no one will ever know the truth. I say we change our focus not on the system but by embracing and uplifting our people... ONE LOVE <3
@Jasmine4u THEY MOTIVE TO KILL HIM WAS BECAUSE HIS ASS WAS REVERSING A CAR FULL SPEED TRYING TO ESCAPE. SO THEY HAD TO SHOOT TO STOP THE VEHICLE. BEFORE HE KILLED THEM. EVEN THO I BELIEVE ALL THOSE SHOTS WERE UNCALLED FOR. BUT YOU CANT USE AND COMPARE STORIES OF COPS KILLING BLACKS AS N EXCUSE. BLACKS KILL BLACKS EVERYDAY SO THAT POINT HAS NO LOGIC. EVERY STORY ISNT INNOCENT VICTIMS..IF YOU POINT A GUN AT A COP EXPECT TO GET SHOT. IF YOU ATTACK AND POSE A THREAT TO A COP EXPECT TO GET YOUR ASS WHOOPED.IF YOU KILL FOUR PEOPLE. I HONESTLY DONT GIVE A [EXPLETIVE] ABOUT YOU.
I LIVE IN PHILLY. THATS LIKE THE HOME OF COP KILLERS. AND IN MY LIFE. IM IN THE HOOD ALMOST EVERYDAY. CHILLING. NEVER HAD A SITUATION WITH THE COPS. IF YOU JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. LIVE YOUR LIFE LEGAL. AND DONT ARGUE WITH THE COPS.NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. JUST COOPERATE(NOT SNITCH) BUT COOPERATE IN A COOL MANNER. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. SIMPLE AS THAT
Greekness...Well what the hell kinna family gonna help you clean a wound from a criminal killing 4 cops?.After he was suppose to have harm the family the way he did?...... Come on now...Did they call the police and tell them he was there?..Wouldn't the police stake out family members houses first?..Uh uh.I feel for the families..but sommin ain't right.That was a HIT!
natalieladelilah
Why when shyyt happen to black people do we see all this 'we gotta get along, kumbuyalah bullshyyt'? But when some shyyt happen to white people its always 'glad they found the ones who did it..blah blah blah?
Im sick of black people being so dam accomadating to every one else but when shyyt pop on us its always 'lets sing kumbuyah and hold hands and shyyt'
@monk
I dont give a dam what sean bell did them cops had no right to blast his ass 1 million times. overkill is just wrong i dont carre if it happened to someone white or black that shyt aint right.
but you got your opinions i guess and im a keep mine. i think this story sound wack and i dont kow to what extent the media is reporting the entire truth. whatever the case its just a sad situation both sides around. i feel bad for the cops families and i feel for maurice too cuz i still think the murders were put on him. the media couldnt wait to lynch a ni.gga and thats how i feel they did
maurice. rip maurice cuz i feel bad for you cuz folks accusing your ass and you aint even here to defend yourself. rip to the officers too cuz they didnt deserve to get shot up. this is a sad story but shytt im still gonna have my say so. something at right bout this case but i guess we will never know the real story.
DCstillhere Flag post To all the people disgusted with Mo Clemmons rebellious, to say the least, act of resistance, what are your opinions and FEELINGS towards all the mass murders of WOMEN, CHILDREN AND ELDERLY, commited in our SO CALLED LIBERATION of KUWAIT, IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN....all colored nations! A campaign that still is being carried out now!
@DC
Brotha you betta preach! you aint eva lied bout that. while these coons sittin here singing 'kumbuyah' the wars in afganistan and iraq continue and each day innocent blood is shed but we aint saying shyyt. black folks are a so
sorry lot of people. Our asses can get tarred lynch feathered shot up a billion times our kids raped and locked away unjustly and we still gonna be singin that 'kumbuyah' to the white masses. all the while the white people aint botherin to sensitize to us and our culture but we always feel a need to sensitize ourselves to them even though we been persecuted by them for some 700-1000 years. smh. i guess we dont deserve shyyt since we dont act like we shyyt. i get mad at our people sometime
devils advocate here: tell me how by killing the alleged killer makes that cop any better than the man he killed? didn't that cop just murdered an ALLEGED killer on the basis that he killed four others EVEN THO this cop life was not threatened? Article said they were challenged, not self defense. A murderer is a murderer, justified or not! THOU SHALL NOT KILL! but most of us seem to forget that along with rational thinking. I thought there was something that said INNOCENT TIL PROVEN GUILTY.umm, the things yall do with these pathetic explanations. they both murderers if both killed
this is the [EXPLETIVE] i was alluding to yesterday, which some nitwit bytches started complaining. applauding the police officers for what they did is wrong, even if he did murder those 4 police officers, he is still entitled, AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, to a fair trial.
Black folks and house niccas, let this be yet another clear warning to you. the police has the right to shoot you for whatever reason.
welcome to the official police state as of January 1st 2010.
>DC<...it is a shame we have to have the "Mind Yours" mentality and the daily pretending we don't see the mistreatment just to call ourselves "Productive" Citizens.MEN AND WOMEN!Of course it burns us to our CORE,but yes we do it...or BULLSEYE!...Are? Black Men unconsciously adopting the.."I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!" attitudes? or are they just tolerating a non coon existence> until they "Long Stare" and Ambush?..That's 5..unheard of before!...you tell me.
that cop is a murderer as much as clemons and he too SHALL BE judge for taking a life. Not defending clemons, but i will not sit up here and act as if what that cop did was justified. I wonder if he would have been taken down differently and face the court system if he was WHITE. of course he would. Prayers go out to the families who lost their love ones, but ppl, we dont need to go rambo cause it suits u. @ Jasmine4u - YOU SAID IT ALL- AMEN.
@ Jasmine...It's not about holding hands and kumbyah. If ur so passionate about it then take a real stance 4 what u believe instead of blogging about it. I dont see u getting upset that everyday in our communtity blacks shoot other blacks and that in this sick day in age we praise drug dealers that send death and misery to our families. I could go on and on about it. I started a communtity childrens group in my neighborhood. I just wished I saw ur passion directed in other places like mabe the prevention of our youth being lead down this sad road.
Knockout...I wasn't in the coffee shop...I wasn't at the death scene...I don't know WHAT went down...but i CAN question the story.Will I call the Cops if a crime has been committed around me...you damn right,becoz as a>citizen< of this wonderful U S of A? I'm NOT suppose to take the law into my OWN hands!...Who do you want me to call...Pookee and Nem?...and believe me where i live...they won't take their time to come, becoz I live around white folk!...Learn how to play the game dumb azz,still eatin my Ni88a Greens and playin my Ni88a music!...now what?
@natalieladelilah
Its funny how when folks run out of shyyt to say they wanna sling the topic of discussion on the bloggers as if they know them personally or some shyyt. look here. i am a community organizer where i live at in racist ass cincinnati. i know first hand what our black young people be dealin with so dont sit here and try to shift blame on me just cuz your dumb ass ran outta shyyt to say. the truth is the truth. justice is justice and that shyt dont eva change. you must be white cuz if yo ass was black you would know what it is im speaking about. I aint condoning Maurice 'suppo
'supposed' killing of four white cops. if he did that shyt he is guilty and if he aint do that shyt he is innocent. whatever the case, whether that ni.gga did it or not, he was not brought to justice in a civil and legal manner. them cops shot his ass cold and that shyyt aint right i dont give a dam what he did cuz in this country we are 'suppose' to live by and abide by the laws which govern the rights of all peoples (or so thats what USA says).
anotha thing is dont be so quick to side on with everything the media tell ya. i got my own opinion about what i think went down. your dumb ass barking at me as if i did the shyyt. dam you eva heard of an opinion before? shyt.
all i know is cops done did some foul things to black people through out the years and while i feel bad for these 4 cops, there is something to be said about 'karma' and 'the chickens coming home to roost' and 'we reap what we sow'. what part of that is you not understanding?
natalieladelilah Flag post NOBODY but us can fix our communities. STOP THE BLAME AND STAND UP. Our focus is in the wrong places. If u feel no one cares about us dying THEN DO SOMETHIN!!!! It take 2 hours a week to be a mentor or volunteer at a homeless shelter, be a role model, ANYTHING...
who do that shyt. we got foot soldiers everywhere in da streets tryin to do the right thing by our community but shyyt we also dont need to be treated unjustly by cops as well. they can back off that racial profilin shyyt./
Okay I live in Washington and there's so much misinformation out there right now it's unbelievable.
1. There was only one Officer at the scene last night, he pulled up to a car that was idling in the middle of the road in a neighborhood. There was no one inside the car yet it was running in the middle of the road. He ran the plates, found out it was stolen and then noticed a man approaching the car, that man turned out to be Maurice Clemens. Now what happened after that I still question, supposedly the lone Officer gave three warnings to Maurice before he finally shot him.
And anotha thing before i leave what the fukk does me e not agreeing with the cops abuse of law enforcement got to do with me 'calling they asses if im in trouble'? shyt bitch i pay taxes and work everyday just as the next white kkraker. my money just as good as theirs. its green aint it? so as a citizen of this country them cop mutha fukkas is obligated to protect me if i need they help. i aint never said i dislike cops cuz that would be silly but them mutha fukkas need to learn to quit bullying my peoples and killin us like dogs in the street. i think you got this all twisted babydoll. it is
2. There are no reports that Maurice provoked him or threatened the Officer in anyway. Which means, at least to me, he should not have been shot.
3. They found one of the dead Officers Glock in Maurices possession when they searched him after shooting.
While what he did was wrong, we have a due process in the country. there's no reason his life should have been ended if he in no way provoked the Officer. No one has the right to take anothers life, be they Officer or not. That is for a group of his peers to decide.
white folks that be needing to learn how to get along with everybody not us. shyyt we been abused for centuries and we will still show some human dignity to the white man. but best believe that shyyt aint reciprocated. he dont do that shyyt for us. and aint nothin wrong with my saying- based on the cops history with black people- something is fishy about maurice story. shyyt im done now. bout to get carpal tunnel goin off on your ass lol. have a good one.
It kills me how some of yall sit around and pass judgement and make the statement that he needs to rot in hell and so on and don't KNOW the situation and what part of alleged murderer do you not understand? Basically that means no one knows for a fact he did it. I pray the cops family find a peice of mind yet know the Facts before YOU began spectulating. Now I also find it quit childish to have a dispute and stoop to a racial level. Some of my black people be the first one to get highly offended when someone makes a racial remark yet you wanna be the first one that pulls the race card.
@Choclatykizz - that does raise my reasonable questions.
The first thing I thought when I heard they supposedly found an Officers weapon on him, why didn't they tell us as citizens about it? That this man IS harmed with a Police weapon, so without a doubt letting us know he has a gun and is ready to kill. Police always say the Media hinders them from doing their job, but on the contrary I think it allows them to pump misinformation into the minds of the masses (or cattle).
You can't KILL COPS and then get away with it. Even if they charged him with murder, they would've got the death sentence. I WASN'T THERE but I'm pretty sure they could've shot to wound him, instead of kill. Now, there will be NO ANSWERS of why the alleged gun killed the 4 cops.
But what's sad is there are cops who kill BLACK MEN and don't even get their badge revoked! Not criminals but killing INNOCENT BLACK MEN and even with public outcry, they don't face no type of consequence. That is why sometimes I just don't give a fu.ck if a cop dies, because who knows if that cop was corrupt...
CONT...Now what do you think that says about your character? Second who gave you the right to say he needs to burn in hell? Your day to judge will soon come and that is noone's say so except God. And last killing him made them no better nor the people who would wish that on someone else because that is not our place to determine wether someone should live or die but the man upstairs. If what i typed has offended any of you and any way then maybe you need to re-evaluate your train of thought because it was meant for you.
I know that there are good cops out there but when you constantly hear stories of a Innocent Black man killed and nothing is done about it, it makes you less sensitive when a cop dies, even in good cause or intentions. But overall, now, there are no answers of why he did it. And if he did do it, there is no justice because no prison term;which he probably wouldn't have received, but instead have received the death penalty.
@Coffee - Wow as in a good thing, as you didn't know that's all that happened?
@Sexxy - All people, of any racial decree or heritage, pull the race card when they have been defeated in an argument. When an argument has been back by irrefutable evidence or facts, people always have to deter it to that oh it must be a race thing. Being White, I've seen White people try to play it on Black people, and vice versa. It's just the natural response when they know they've lost, yet can't admit it.
And don't get it twisted. I don't approve of what he did if he did it. But i feel that until we know the facts i'm not going to speculate. I believe there are some dirty cops yet there are some good cops. And im not going to dislike all for some wrong doing because guess what when something happens that is the first people we call. We as people need to open our minds and absorb some facts and knowledge before you speak. And to actually take your time to argue back and forth over the internet because you share a different opinion than someone else doesnt say much about you as a person. If what i typed has offended any of you and any way then maybe you need to re-evaluate your train of thought because it was meant for you.
@Jasmine4u my goodness i never read so much hateful speech in all my life! You are clearly racist and lack the capacity to feel any form of emotion. this guy was a murderer who murdered 4 innocent cops for no reason other than the fact they were cops. he raped children and he was a wicked person. the cop did right killing him. he is no longer a menance to society any longer. this had nothing to do with race. why do you people always bring up race into every incident? everything bad that happens is your life is not because of 'white' people. white people hardly go around blaming blacks
blaming blacks for their misfortunes. we simply work harder. im tired of the racist black people making things out as if white people are evil. if you dont like this country. guess what? MOVE and get over yourself. im not coming to this website anymore because blacks are so racist and dont even know it. seek help. bye
WELLi live Here in Parkland Where it happen n he did do that [EXPLETIVE]...he was shot in the stomache during the shot out n they recover one if the lakewood police gun he stole so he did do that [EXPLETIVE]..his family is gon he charged becuz they helpd him get to seattle they nursed hie gun shot wound gave him money n a cell so they goin down...he raped s child n is jus crazy if he didnt get forgivness for his sins he will have the ultimate punishment HELL!! im glad my town will get back to the way it was... follow me on twitter.com/mochakizzez
ONCE AGAIN "THE DANGERS OF A SINGLE STORY" IS GOIN TO KILL THE BLACK CONSCIOUSINESS.@COURTNRY 76..BACK PEOPLE ARE NOT RACIST WE ARE REACTIONARY RACIST GET IT CORRECT.RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY WAS STARTED IN THIS COUNTRY BUT YOU EUROPEANS FOES AND THEY HAVE DONE NOTHIN TO ERADICATE THE PROBLEM..ESPECIALLY LIKE TELLIN THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD N HISTORY...AND THE DEFINITION OF RACISM IS PEOPLE WITH POWER WHO CAN CONTROL THE DECISION MADE THAT WILL AFFECT A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE AS A WHOLE..AND SWEETHEART BLACK PEOPLE DONT HOLD THAT POSITION IN THIS COUNTRY.NOW JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING FOR EVERYONE. NOB
NOBODY KNOWS IF HE ACTUALLY RAPED ANY 4 YR OLD BOY.THEY CAN SY ANYTHING IF THE PERSON DOESNT HAVE A VOICE,NOTHING MAKES UP FOR WUT EURO'S DID OVER THE LAST FEW YRS OR HUNDRED YRS...THEY KILLED SEAN BELL,OSCAR GRANT AND SEVERAL HUNDRED OTHERS JUST OVER THE PAST YR..SO PLEASE PEOPLE..LOOK AT BIGGER STORY..MANY OF THESE PEOPLE R MANCHURAIN CANDIDATES FOR A BIGGER PICTURE..FBI DOES WORK AGAINST LOCAL POLICE AT TIMES FBI WORKS AGAINST FBI [EXPLETIVE] LIKE THIS GOES ON..NOW ALL OF THESE LATEST MASS SHOOTINGS THE PERP HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON SOME MIND ALTERING DRUG,WHTHER ITS FORT HOOD,VTECH,OR NOW EVEN BEFORE T
GODZULU wrote:
What's even sadder is the fact that because of the history of how police take the law into their own hands by making themselves judge and executioner, people have gotten to the point where they expect it.
I don't give a fukk if he killed 200 cops, their job is not to exact punishment. It is to enforce the law. You do wrong, they are to apprehend you and bring you to justice (LoL). They are not to get revenge. They are supposed to use deadly force in the protection of human life. No other time. - - - - - TRUTH! The pigs that killed Oscar Grant & Sean bell were not shot!
Courtney
STFU! You "work harder" because you don't have to face job discrimination like Blacks do. Blacks would "work harder" too if racist whites wouldn't lock them out of the work force. Harvard did a study and found out having black skin is equivalent to having a felony when it comes to getting a job. You can't run from a Harvard study can you? Whites did the research!!!
Whites have plenty to do with the misfortune of Blacks, not all of it, but they play a key role.
Whites kill me with this Blacks get affirmitive action ish, like Blacks just too over the workforce. How many Blacks work where you work?? (a question for white folks)
White folks get jobs because of their white skin and being well connected with other whites. NOT BECAUSE YOU "WORK HARDER" "HAVE THE SKILLS" ETC. GTFOH!!!
@DCstillhere - As someone who attended a public school in PGC, Prince Georges County, I can understand why you don't trust White people. Besides I've always lived by the term, trust is earned not given.
This site is a perfect example of what media does, the head lining story is that of Rhinana and Chris Brown bullshit, not of a story of revelance to people and society. But people don't want to hear about the world and the way it is. The thing that draws the cattle, or the masses, is stories about so-called relevant drama in socialites lives.
Like you said, education and independenc.
I agree MTO if he did it then it was just deserved if he didn't those officers need to stand trail....however the comments on here saying F the police this that & the third are out right ignorant. Lets not forget people police officers have family as well & unless your willing to go out & handle those murders, rapist gangbangers & just out right insane people there is no need to condemn them, the same way you don't like it when BLACKS are stereotype is the same reason why you shouldn't stereotype them.
STAYPOPPIN01 and NYSDIVA and others- why are you arguing with me when jasmine4u is the one cursing using bad language and disrespecting white people who dont care about her or any of you one way or the other?
What did i say to deserve your wrath lol? How can you let jasmine go for makig all of those asinine comments against everybody? where is the peace with you people?
Dont get me wrong im not racist but what gives jasmine the right to say those hurtful things against white people but i dont have the right to say you guys need to try harder? smh. you are just as racist as her
@staypoppin- I dont care about that harvard story. so what? black people should work hard just like us and they will find whites will begin to be more accepting towards them. but as long as you gangbang, spread aids, have numerous kids out of wedlock, and are in and out of prison, people are not going to treat you with respect and kindness. thats just the nature of life. I suspect staypoppin and dcstillhere are still mad at me for using the 'burnt hotdog' comment. sorry but i will stand by it. no burnt hotdogs for me. i love white men and will always be with white men. sorry you dont own me
Jasmine4u Flag post And anotha thing before i leave what the fukk does me e not agreeing with the cops abuse of law enforcement got to do with me 'calling they asses if im in trouble'? shyt bitch i pay taxes and work everyday just as the next white kkraker. --
smh. reverse racism at its best. so sad some of you are full of hate and rage. slavery is over jasmine get over it.
@Courtney76 - You sound like one of the many White people I know who are racist around White people only, if you are, it's okay to tell me I'm White too.
"gangbang, spread aids, have numerous kids out of wedlock, and are in and out of prison"
Because all White people smoke meth, fucc their cousins, drink beer and watch Nascar, have rednecks, and drive big ole trucks lifted high in the air.
And how the hell would you know if you a Black mans dicc looks like a burnt hot dog if you've never been with one? Don't tell me you've been looking them up online, so I guess you're living in the
i wouldve high fived too. dudes going to hell. you cant just go around shottin cops and [EXPLETIVE]. then theres dumbasses who say "wahhhh but hes black, thats [EXPLETIVE] up bla bla bla" YEA HES A BLACK MAN AND HE MURDERED 4 COPS FOR NO [EXPLETIVE] REASON. i cant stand southern mentalities like that, man. damn shame.
THAT FOOL WAS A cop killer...WHAT MAKES HIM GIVE A DAM/N ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE..IF YOU HAVE THE NERVES TO KILL 4 POLICE OFFICER THEN THAT FOOL SHOULD ROT IN HELLL...THOSE COPS DID NOT KNOW HIM AND HE DID NOT KNOW THEM...WHAT IF THE COPS WERE BLACK...WOULD YALL HAVE HAD SYMPATHY FOR THEM THEN....HELL WHO WOULD PROTECT AND SERVE IF EVERYONE CALL IT OPEN SEASON ON COPS???????
Coutney
It's called research. Whether you care or not, research equals facts. Work hard?? LOL!! WE BUILT THIS COUNTRY!! Whites sat back on their lazy asses and let us work fyi. Gay white men have the highest rates of AIDS, do your research and stop spreading the white man's hatred and lies.
Mad about that lame ass "burnt hot hog" ish is laughable. White folks have the highest welfare rates as well btw.
I didn't think you could come back with the facts, just that same old tired racist BS. Go ahead leave this website like you said you were, you can't compete with REAL educated folks!
I know its f*cked up but I'm gonna say it anyways. The ratio is 4 whites to 1 black and I like those odds. How many of my ancestors did they kill b4, during, and after Jim Crow ...too many! Everybody knows the hazards of their job, plumbers might get sh*t on them, chefs chop their fingers off and cops may die.
....HELL WHO WOULD PROTECT AND SERVE IF EVERYONE CALL IT OPEN SEASON ON COPS?????
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The thing is that in minority dominated communities the police don't do much serving and they're the ones people find themselves needing protection from.
In mostly/all white communities the polive are true to that phrase, 'to protect and serve'. In mostly/all monority commnunites not so much. That's why are opinions of police differ as much as they do.
If this man killed those cops he was dead wrong no pun intended. BUT
Based off of knowing how the police withold information from the media and are gurus at concocting a story to make it fit a situation, I wouldn't rule out them scrolling through thier criminal inventory of creeps to pin an inside job on.
There are so many questions that remain open. These cops were killed at 8 am before thier shift in a place that most cops frequent meaning Clemmons would have had to formulate a plan. Some reports state the officers were in bulletproof vests yet one died from a gunshot to the torso.
I grew up in a family with several career criminals, and I say eff 'em. They did nothing but give the family grief and cost 1000s of dollars. They couldn't claim innocence cause we all knew they were thugs. Some of them got tired of going to jail and turned their life around. I'm glad they killed his punk ass. He'd just been busted a few weeks ago for assaulting a cop and raping a child. he was out on bail.
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The scuffle with CLemmons at the door of the shop does not add up to the injuries of either Clemmons or the officer shot outside the shop. Clemmons was said to have been shot in the stomach and the lower leg and was still able ot wreslte a gun from an officer with no injuries while holding his own weapon? Clemmosn was said to have been found wth the officers weapon on him. Where is his weapon and who was shot first the officer or Clemmons? Either way both scenerios will raise questions about the account. I have so many questions but this smells like an inside job. Perfect crime story
I don't know I have a lot of questions and there are many loopholes but Clemmons lifestyle and criminal history make it easy or society not to question anything. What if he never did it then what? It was never planned for justice to be served. No one wants thier tax dollars to be spent on a public defender defending a cop killer that is just to much time and paperwork.
MAN [EXPLETIVE] THAT.... THE POLICE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT!!! AS MANY PEOPLE AS THE POLICE GO AROUND KILLING FOR NO DAMN REASON.. HE HAD HIS REASON TO KILL THEY ASS CAUSE THE POLICE ALWAYS ON SOME BULL [EXPLETIVE]... THEY WRONG FOR THAT FOR REAL AND WATCH DON'T [EXPLETIVE] HAPPEN TO THEY ASS AND I BET IT WAS ALL WHITE COPES THAT DID IT
what if clemmons dude was the one who bought the little girl from her mother and killed her...dude who did that terrible crime and this clemmons dude both had similiar criminal historys and should have never been let out of prison so easily...so what these four people clemmons killed were cops...does that make the crime right? hel/l no...these four people that he killed could have been four little kids...does it matter that they were cops....he still killed for no reason at all....
weelll if he raped a child he shoulda been kept in jail . But half of tha jail cells is full with black men .. That was not by accident . Buh you guyz siding with da devils that kill black ppl all da time r stooopid .. Woahh he killd 4 cops .. yeah r.i.p to them mayb one of them were good . but pattin your back and praising dat u killd sum one doesnt make u any better . LOL hear these black ppl and their tax dollas like every1 dnt gotta pay em .. White ppl r buildin jails like their skools and it cost more to maintain a prison than a skool .. DO u think these white ppl want u to learn or ???
I HATE ALL WHITE PEOPLE BUT I HATE BLACKS WHO LOVE KRAKKERS MORE THAN I DO KRAKKERS.I WISH HE COULD HAVE KILLED EVERY WHITE PERSON IN THE WORLD INCLUDING THEIR BABIES AND ELDERLY AND WHILE YOU AT IT KILL THESE KRAKKER LOVING NEGROES AND HALF BREEDS THE ONES MIXED WITH WHITE.ANY BLACK WOMAN WHO FEELS SYMPATHY FOR WHITE COPS DIE AND GO TO HELL WITH THEM THOSE PEOPLE HAVE ALSO KILLED COUNTLESS BLACK FEMALES LIKE THAT NINTY YEAR OLD BLACK WOMAN IN GEORGIA AND THE SCUM TRIED TO PLANT DOPE ON THE DEAD BODY OF A ELDERLY WOMAN.A DOG AINT AS LOW AS SCUM BAG KRAKKERS.EVERY KRAKKER DIES IS JOY FOR ME.
clearly he has a psychological problem and so do alot of black people but some don't kno how to deal wit it and especially if he had beeen thru previous isssues . waht if he was raped as a child . what if sum cops did him really dirty ( not sayn those exact wuns did ) and look how they killed sean bell .. durty over 30 shots .. unnecessary anyways what about tha cops that killd huey newton and all tha otha black pppl that tryda help black ppl like maurice .. They dnt wuna c us grow or help they want us to b [EXPLETIVE] ( dead ) and most of us is dead mentally .
Greekness
I sure you didn't feel like your life was in jeopardy, but Johnnie Cochran is the one who stopped the cops from using the choke hold to kill Black men. They killed so many something had to be done. Especially when they killed a son for mistaken identity in front of his mother and pregnant wife he was rushing to the hospital because she was in labor, when the mother started crying, they beat her ass to a pulp!
They shot him and he died in his expecting wife's lap, do you think he was more scared of the cop or the guy walking down the street????
what about this shoot out that happened in L.A in 1970's or sumthin anyway it was on this documentary called bastards of the party .. it's on youtube buh yeah i dnt really have sympathy cuz they killed thousands of black ppl for no reason even bakk then cuz imagine a shoot out for 4 hrs . and um sure all those black ppl ddnt have guns. They dnt make em and cops always have em .. But u hear white ppl talk about their 8 million dead from holocaust wat about are 100 million dead from slavery . R.I.P 2 ALL PPL NONE OF THEM HAD THA RITE TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE'S LIFE ESPECIALLY IF THEY DDNT GIVE IT
DC
I know right!
Greekness
Last statement. Whenever you get a chance, check out Tupac's song "2Pac - black jesuz" on youtube (nice song btw)and look at the 3:27-3:29 mark, and you'll see how long the cops have been using us as punching bags, people try to tie in police brutality with Rodney King all the time. Try to picture that man as one of your loved ones. We've never had peace when it comes to the cops!!
There is no cause for celebration in the story at all. 5 people are dead and countless lives changed 4ever. I agree with both sides because the police do hunt black men the only thing that has changed since before the civil rights movement is now the racist hide their hate and are more slick when it comes to the destruction of the source of their hatred i.e. whites are now using the "justice" system to get rid of the blacks!
stupid multiple post now as i was sayin so racism still exists however I do not condone killing 4 police. I do not know if they deserved that fate or not I cannot judge but murder is murder plain and simple. It is never justified unless it is self defense. People act like there are no good white people but htere are some white people even died for OUR rights during the civil rights movement. So we cannot just kill white people for the hell of it and no police should be killing black people for the hell of it. It is what it is though.
@DC still here
I maintain what I have stated before. It is purely ignorant to suggest that because a person is on the side of the law they must have done something bad. Are you suggesting that if a person is not on the side of the law that means they are good? Something is wrong with that type of ghetto inspired logic.
People who are siding with the murderer - wake up. This man was a convicted felon, a rapist. He murdered 4 cops and who knows how many others (black or white) he raped a woman. Now what type of low morality do you guys have to side with this scum?
Just sad. And Pathetic.
SEATTLE - Authorities in Washington state are wasting no time hauling into court the people suspected of helping alleged cop killer Maurice Clemmons elude police for two days.
A police officer shot and killed Clemmons in Seattle this morning, ending the manhunt that began shortly after police say Clemmons shot and killed four Lakewood officers on Sunday. Early on, investigators knew Clemmons had been wounded by one of the dying officers. They knew he had to be getting help from people because he could not have escaped on his own given the nature of his injury.
Eddie Lee Davis, 20, and his brother Douglas Davis, 22, pleaded not guilty today to charges of first-degree rendering of criminal assistance. Police say they were friends of Clemmons. A third man, Ricky Hinton, who was Clemmons' half brother, was not charged today but is jailed on $2 million bond pending further investigation.
A report in the Seattle Times says court documents indicate the three men helped Clemmons after he showed up at their house bleeding. They reportedly knew he had shot police officers and drove him to a relative's home for medical treatment. Police say several other people were then involved in moving Clemmons around the Tacoma and Seattle area and say up to seven people may eventually be charged with criminal assistance.
Relatives of the slain officers were in court today, expressing disbelief that anyone would willingly try to help a man who had just ambushed and killed four people.
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SEATTLE - The man suspected of gunning down four police officers in a suburban coffee shop was shot and killed by a lone patrolman investigating a stolen car early Tuesday. Three people were arrested for allegedly helping the suspect elude authorities during a massive two-day manhunt.
Maurice Clemmons was carrying a handgun he took from one of the dead officers when a Seattle policeman recognized him near a stolen car in Rainier Valley, a working-class south Seattle neighborhood, about 2:45 a.m., Assistant Police Chief Jim Pugel said.
The vehicle was running but unoccupied when the officer pulled up, radioed in the license plate number and realized the car was stolen, Pugel said.
The officer saw something moving, got out of his car, saw Clemmons and ordered him to show his hands and stop. Instead, Clemmons ran.
"He wouldn't stop," Pugel said. "The officer fired several rounds."
The suspect was declared dead at the scene.
Authorities say Clemmons, 37, killed four Lakewood officers at a coffee shop Sunday morning in Parkland, a Tacoma suburb about 35 miles south of Seattle. After a massive manhunt for two days, police tracked him down using possible hiding spots supplied by Pierce County investigators, said Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the county sheriff.
Police were talking to people who saw or heard the confrontation. One of the witnesses said she was awoken by noise outside her home.
"It sounded like pops, like gunshots is what we thought," she said. "We saw cops coming, running with guns drawn through here, with a couple of guys with the SWAT shields."
A couple dozen police officers milled around at the scene where Clemmons apparently was shot Tuesday morning, shaking hands and patting each other on the back after one of the largest manhunts in the region. The officer who shot Clemmons was not injured, Pugel said.
At least three people have been booked into the Pierce County Jail in Tacoma, accused of aiding Clemmons. Police planned to arrest more people who helped Clemmons.
"We expect to have maybe six or seven people in custody by the day's end," said Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the Pierce County sheriff. "Some are friends, some are acquaintances, some are partners in crime, some are relatives. Now they're all partners in crime."
Clemmons had stayed on the run for nearly two days with help from a network of friends and family who gave him places to stay, medical aid, rides and money, police said. Police believe people close to Clemmons have misled officers, and Troyer said anyone helping him could face charges.
Troyer didn't immediately give the names of the people already arrested on suspicion of rendering criminal assistance. On Monday, officers detained a sister of Clemmons who they think treated the suspect's gunshot wound.
"We believe she drove him up to Seattle and bandaged him up," Troyer said.
Authorities said the gunman singled out the Lakewood officers and spared employees and other customers at the coffee shop. He then fled, but not before he was apparently shot in the torso by one of the dying officers.
Killed were Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39, and Officers Ronald Owens, 37, Tina Griswold, 40, and Greg Richards, 42.
Police said they aren't sure what prompted Clemmons to shoot the four officers, who were in uniform and working on paperwork at the coffee shop just two blocks outside their jurisdiction.
"The only motive that we have is he decided he was going to go kill police officers," Troyer said. He said Clemmons talked the night before the shooting about killing a group of cops and watching the news.
Police believe Clemmons chose the coffee shop because it was frequented by police officers from various agencies.
"We do not believe that the Lakewood officers were actually targeted other than that they were police officers in that location at the time where he knew he could find police officers."
Clemmons was described as increasingly erratic in the past few months and had been arrested earlier this year on charges that he punched a sheriff's deputy in the face.
Police surrounded a house in a Seattle neighborhood late Sunday following a tip Clemmons had been dropped off there. After an all-night siege, a SWAT team entered the home and found it empty. But police said Clemmons had been there.
Police frantically chased leads on Monday, searching multiple spots in the Seattle and Tacoma area and at one point cordoning off a park where people thought they saw Clemmons.
Authorities found a handgun carried by the killer, along with a pickup truck belonging to the suspect with blood stains inside. They posted a $125,000 reward for information leading to Clemmons' arrest and alerted hospitals to be on the lookout for a man seeking treatment for gunshot wounds.
Authorities in two states were criticized amid revelations that Clemmons was allowed to walk the streets despite a teenage crime spree in Arkansas that landed him an 108-year prison sentence. He was released early after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted his sentence.
Huckabee cited Clemmons' youth in granting the request. But Clemmons quickly reverted to his criminal past, violated his parole and was returned to prison. He was released again in 2004.
"This guy should have never been on the street," said Brian D. Wurts, president of the police union in Lakewood. "Our elected officials need to find out why these people are out."
Huckabee said on Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor" Monday night that Clemmons was allowed back on the street because prosecutors failed to file paperwork in time.
Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley, whose office opposed Clemmons' parole in 2000 and 2004, said Huckabee's comments were "red herrings."
"My word to Mr. Huckabee is man up and own what you did," Jegley said.
Clemmons was charged in Washington state earlier this year with assaulting a police officer and raping a child, and investigators in the sex case said he was motivated by visions that he was Jesus Christ and that the world was on the verge of the apocalypse.
But he was released from jail after posting bail with the assistance of Jail Sucks Bail Bonds.
Documents related to those charges indicate a volatile personality. In one instance, he is accused of gathering his wife and young relatives and forcing them to undress.
"The whole time Clemmons kept saying things like trust him, the world is going to end soon, and that he was Jesus," a Pierce County sheriff's report said.
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11-30-2009:
Police in Washington state say the suspect in the killings of four police officers in a Seattle-area coffee shop is not inside the house that they've surrounded since early Monday morning.
Negotiators spent the night trying to communicate with 37-year-old Maurice Clemmons, but discovered after a search of the Seattle house and that the suspect was not inside.
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said the location of Clemmons is not known, and it's possible he may still be in the neighborhood staked out overnight by Seattle police. Troyer also says people who know Clemmons told investigators that he had been shot in the torso.
The University of Washington police have alerted students to an unconfirmed report that the suspect in the Lakewood police shootings may have been sighted on or near the campus in Seattle.
Cmdr. Jerome Solomon says someone reported that Maurice Clemmons was seen getting off a bus about 7 a.m. Monday near the university's hospital. He says police are checking the area.
Students have been alerted by e-mail and text messages.
Troyer said warrants for first-degree murder have been issued against Clemmons. A $125,000 reward has been offered for information leading to the suspect's arrest, Troyer said, according to a Twitter post on The Seattle Times' Web site.
The neighborhood is still locked down.
Negotiators had been trying to communicate with Clemmons using loudspeakers, explosions and even a robot to try to prod him from hiding. At one point, gunshots rang through the neighborhood, about 30 miles from the original crime scene.
"We have determined that in fact he has been shot," said Troyer. "He may be deceased from his gunshot wound."
Troyer said Clemmons was shot by one of the murdered police officers, according to The Seattle Times.
Police said they knew the suspect was injured because they have detained other people who reportedly assisted Clemmons after the shootings, The Seattle Times reported.
Troyer would not comment on the number of people they have detained.
Clemmons has a long criminal history, including a long prison sentence commuted by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee nearly a decade ago and a recent arrest for allegedly assaulting a police officer in Washington.
Huckabee issued a statement: "Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State."
"This is a horrible and tragic event and if found and convicted the offender should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law."
Clemmons allegedly went to a coffee house on Sunday morning and opened fire on the Lakewood officers, killing Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39, Ronald Owens, 37, Tina Griswold, 40, and Greg Richards, 42, as they caught up on paperwork at the beginning of their shifts. He fled but authorities believe he might have been wounded by one of his victims.
"We don't know if he's still alive. If he isn't, it's because he succumbed to the wound he received yesterday when he was in the struggle with the police officer that managed to get a shot fired at him before he was killed," Troyer said on CBS television.
Police surrounded the house late Sunday, and a negotiator used a loudspeaker early Monday to call him out by name, saying: "Mr. Clemmons, I'd like to get you out of there safely. I can tell you this, we are not going away."
Any response from inside the house was inaudible from the vantage of a photographer for The Associated Press. But shortly thereafter, police began using sirens outside the house, and there were several loud bangs before the negotiator resumed speaking. By 3 a.m., the loudspeakers and explosions had fallen silent. Seattle Police spokesman Jeff Kappel said Clemmons has never responded. It's not clear whose house it is.
Clemmons is believed to have been in the area of the coffee shop around the time of the shooting, but Troyer declined to say what evidence might link him to the shooting.
Investigators say they know of no reason that Clemmons or anyone else might have had to open fire on the four as they sat working on their laptops Sunday. Court documents indicate that Clemmons is delusional and mentally unstable.
"We're going to be surprised if there is a motive worth mentioning," said Troyer, who sketched out a scene of controlled and deliberate carnage that spared the employees and other customers at the coffee shop in suburban Parkland, about 35 miles south of Seattle.
Live by the sword, die by it. Dude was a coward, killing four white cops who didn't see it coming, who didn't fucc with him because he was black.
These wish-they-were-tuff, soft-tissue clowns who say fucc the police have the same cowardly DNA as Clemmons. Not one of them, including Clemmons, have enuff hair on their ass to run up on some real cops who deal with trash like Clemmons everyday and don't get beat down or gunned down.
To the Seattle cop who handled his business, excellent application of the felony murder rule.
Well i am in Washington and i am tired of hearing about this mess.Granted he killed 4 cops the dude was crazy but i am mad how the police wants to arrest every single person that knew the dude the cops are dead clemmons is dead end of the story.When cops kills black they want to sweep it under the rug like it never happen well they need to sweep this story under the rug too