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| petitelilmiss |
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She needs to sukk it up. Obama 4 prez!!! |
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| darnellswife |
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She looks like a dykon. |
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| lisajkv |
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97 percent of black folks are voting for Barack. Out of the 97 percent neither one of them can tell me his health care plan. Now you tell me who is voting because of race and who is voting because of the issues at hand? |
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| TravelAgent |
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Lisajkv, you have been sent to the site that explains his policies in full detail too many times. Is it that you don't feel like reading?
The plan is not that simple to sum up in a few words. Here it is again in case you missed it the last several times: www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Now, don't go blaming others for your inadequacies. Do your homework, and then get back! |
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I’m glad that this recent statement of HRC’s is getting some coverage…even if it is primarily on the internet. The point is, she has “finally” explained via her statement what her campaign, the media talking heads, and pundits mean when they shrug their shoulders and ask “why can’t he close the deal”…..it’s NOT about policy, character or integrity….it’s race. Governor Rendell of Pennsylvania said it in February….his electorate “would not” support a black candidate and a significant portion did not. Still this is not an indication of Obama’s ability to win the general election. The number of democratic voters during the primary process has trumped the republican turn out, in some cases two to one…that’s numbers for “each” candidate. However, HRC’s comments highlights why Senator Diane Feinstein recently stated that the race has now reached of point where there are “negative dividends from it in terms of strife within the party.” The negative dividends being the mining of votes by cultivating “divisions” and strife being the polarization of the various divided fractions….that’s a formula for losing the general election. The power of the democratic party has never been just the blue collar, undereducated, white masses….it’s a coalition. And to think the woman who once said “it takes a village” is now the one willing to burn that village to the ground for gain…it’s simply astounding. |
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| lisajkv |
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See Travelagent that's my point you don't know his health care plan either.
You guys keep sending me the link but you don't understand his plan that's why you can't tell me it from the top of your head.
I can tell you Hillary plan from top to bottom and you can't, probably because he doesn't have a plan that will cover everyone. |
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| lisajkv |
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My point is no one cares about his health care plan, his economic stimulus plan, or Gas tax plan.
90 percent of those that voted for him was just because he's black and that's really sad. Ya'll don't even know his policies. |
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| TravelAgent |
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Preach, Opining! |
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| TravelAgent |
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Lisajkv, you obviously have not paid attention to many of my earlier comments (earlier in the election) that state why I personally support him. I have gone into detail about a majority of his policies and the state that the country is in and why. I have also gone into detail about why many policies that Senator Clinton has proposed won't really work. Go back in the archives. I just don't have time to go into a lengthy conversation about it now. And the fact that I think most people, besides you, get it now anyway, I'd just be wasting my breath (key strokes in this case).
I have never, on the other hand, seen you respond to anyone's questions regarding why you support Hillary. Not ONCE! |
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| lisajkv |
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I love how they trying to say that Hillary is making this a race issues.
When 97 percent of African Americans vote for someone because they're black it's all about race and has nothing to do with the issues. The three percent i'm sure voted against him due to his policies just like myself.
I could care less if you're Black, White, Chinese, Japanese dirty knees look at these. If we don't have the same policies that will help me or my family, I not going to vote for you. |
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| TravelAgent |
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So, ok, I'll give you yet another chance to explain yourself. WHY do you support Hillary over Barack. What differences in their policies swayed your decision? I'm really interested in hearing what you have to say, granted you say anything worthwhile.
Also, for the record, I don't care who you support, as long as you have reason to back it up. |
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The last time I asked you that question, I waited almost two days until I realized you just weren't going to repond to it.
But I really am convinced that many Black Hillary supporters are so convinced that other Blacks supporting Barack are only supporting him because he's black, despite the fact that his policies are solid and he's been consistant, despite the fact that he's managed his campaign exceptionally well for a "sophmore" Senator, despite the fact that he, himself, has never used race as a ploy to get votes.
I really am convinced that you are not voting for Barack simply because you feel that other Blacks are voting for him based on race, and you, perhaps because you're African, not African-American, are trying to separate yourself from the mentality of the general African American population, or what you think is the general mentality. If I am wrong, I'd like for you to prove me wrong, and honestly, I hope you do. But I don't think you can. |
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| lisajkv |
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Ok Travelagent here it goes
I have two reasons why I voted for Hillary.
First is Hillary's Health Care plan. Health Care is very important to me. I've lost family members, had family members turned away just because they didn't have health insurance. The people without health insurance are placed in hospitals that gets the lowest amount of care and are treated like a piece of trash.
I good movie to watch is Sicko by Michael Moore. Hillary has been trying to get universal Health Care for every single person in this country. She has been fighting hard for Universal Health Care since Bill was in office. If you watch Sicko it will tell you how hard she tried to work at getting it but the Big Boys the Republicans didn't want it because their getting paid by the insurance companies. |
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| lisajkv |
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Sicko is very educational. It talks about how people actually died being transported from hospital to the next just because the insurance company wouldn't pay for their procedures.
Hillary wants to make sure everyone is covered and no one is without Health Care in this country. I really admired her for going up against the Republicans trying to get the best health Care plan for everyone. This was in the 90s when Bill was still in office. Her plan to have health Care for everyone is not about winning the Presidency she has been doing this for years.
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| lisajkv |
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Barack Obama he doesn't want every American to be covered.
He wants to have a $2500 cap for health insurance. He wants to make it affordable for everyone. But what is affordable? Affordable to me may not be affordable to you. His health Care plan is a mess, everyone will not be covered and also you may not even be able to afford it. His plan is not for the people it's for the insurance companies.
That's why I voted for Hillary and not Barack. It has absolutely nothing to do about race. Everytime I come on here it's always about race so I have to battle my way through the conversion, i'm always defending myself and could never talk about the issues that really matter to me. |
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| TravelAgent |
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Have you taken a look at the differences between Hillary and Obama's healthcare plans? if I'm not mistaken, their healthcare plans are virtually the same.
I must admit, I haven't really studied Hillary's healthcare plan to a T because I'm more concerned about the economic plan. If our economy isn't offered an applicable solution that will work to jolt us rather quickly, healthcare won't matter because everything, including healthcare will be jeoprodized.
What about the other issues? |
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| TravelAgent |
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Hillary's plan includes affordable healthcare as well. You can't realistically cover every American (including non-working) because someone will have to pay for it. And who do you think those someones will be? |
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| lisajkv |
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People don't really want to talk about the real issues they just talk about how I should vote for Barack because he's black. |
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| TravelAgent |
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And by the way, Michael Moore has endorsed Obama.
Just stating the fact. |
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| TravelAgent |
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I thought we were talking about the issues. So who are these "people" you are referring to? |
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| lisajkv |
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Hillary will increase taxes on the wealthy people making over $200,000 a year to pay for the Universal Health Care plan. Also if you want to keep your private insurance you can do that as well. Obama doesn't like the plan because he makes over $200,000 a year and don't want to get taxed for it. |
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| lisajkv |
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Yeah I know Michael Moore endorsed Obama but we're talking about why I voted for Hillary.
Like I said before it's a waste of time to talk about the issues you don't even know about their policies so.
That's why I voted for Hillary. Educate and rent Sicko for the weekend. |
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| TravelAgent |
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Barack's is doing virtually the same. If healthcare is your only argument for supporting Hillary, then you need to go deeper, because they have virtually the same stand on heathcare.
What ELSE because I still think you are merely trying to distance yourself from African American and the like. |
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| TravelAgent |
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I do know the policies, especially the policies that matter. That's why I'm trying to engage you to go deeper. I'll go, too. |
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| TravelAgent |
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Ok, let me put it like this, what are our means of creating more jobs in the US so that people can gain or maintain their income and actually afford to be taxed for healthcare costs?
How is Hillary going to realistically make this happen? By stopping NAFTA completely, putting an immediate freeze on international trade? That's what she says she intends to do. But then HOW can you do that when we've gotten so far off that most products and services are procured through overseas markets.
I agree that we should limit revise the current Trade agreement, but to freeze international trade altogether with no domestic revitalization plan is an incomplete idea, not to mention disasterous one.
Now, your turn. |
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HILLARY LIED SHE DIDNT SEE ANYTHING ON AN AP ARTICLE..SHE IS LYING AGAIN..SHE HAS NO PROOF...SHE JUST WANTS TO RUN HER MOUTH AGAIN...GIVE IT UP HILLARY...U LOOKIN PITTYFUL................VOTE FOR OBAMA...OB...HE CAN BRING CHANGE... |
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| TravelAgent |
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Ok, I'll go further with that, as I have before.
In the mid twentieht century, our economy bounced back by encouraging Americans to buy American. This worked because it created jobs, kept the American dollar in America, and offered a need for more American production, which also meant we had product to trade to overseas markets. This cycle increased the strength of the American dollar.
Now, we have to do the same, but this time it's not with just consumers, but we have to encourage this with businesses as well, because they are sending not only jobs overseas, but they are purchasing product and production from overseas markets.
They did this initially trying to save costs, but with the American dollar weakening, they will soon find (and in some cases are finding) that these services and products will be too expensive for us to afford (i.e. what has happened with natural gas and oil)
If these businesses wait too long to source domestically, there won't be any domestic venues to source from. We will find ourselves in an irreversible economic state. |
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| TravelAgent |
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See, Lisakjv, my point is not to "shut you up" or anything like that. I really want to get you to start thinking "how will this REALLY work if applied?"
I understand your concern for healthcare, I've heard that from many people, but there is a link to most issues, and you have to get to the root of the problem before anything else can progress.
It's not the fact that he's Black that will make him a great President. It's the fact that he really understands the issues both by being a lawmaker and by being a working class citizen in this country and knowing first hand the plights and successes of people from other countries.
I don't want to belittle you and your opinions. I just want you, and others, to think about more than what's placed directly in front of you. |
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| TravelAgent |
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And the fact that he is a Black man living in America helps him to better understand the under represented groups' (yes groups, Hispanic people)socio-economic problems as well. |
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| lisajkv |
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Like I said before everytime I come on here To talk about the issues it's always about race. You asked me why I voted for HHillary and I told you.
Then some how and some way you turned race back into the picture. Really why ask me about the issues when clearly race is your only motivation? |
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| TravelAgent |
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OK lil jkv. I'm done. |
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| lisajkv |
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For the record Barack's and Hillary's health care plan is nothing alike. That's the lie Barack keeps saying, he knows her plan is laid out. Edwards also wanted Universal Health Care. That's why Edwards and his wife said they didn't agree with Barack plan.
Isn't it funny that not one person on here can tell me his Health Care Plan?
The only think you can do is send me his link on his website. SAD
Really i'm tired of hearing and reading about Barack talk a lot about nothing. AND HAS NO PLAN!!!!!
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| lisajkv |
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Good Night Travelagent!!!
Go rent SICKO this weekend. Michael Moore endorsed Obama so it will be very educational for you, promise. |
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What's the difference? |
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Folks need to recognize the fact that a Bush or a Clinton has been in the White Hiouse since 1980 as either President or VP- freedom or freedum?
Obama, McCain are no better, this whole election process is scripted theatre by the power elite.
Hillary is an elitist, a racist and above all an egotisical ball of arrogance wound up nito the form we now see before us.
Btw- Rev Wright is the very same person that Bill Clinton called to the White House during the Monica Lewisky scandal- picture that! How can Hillary run a nation if she can't control her husband? |
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| lisajkv |
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Yeah you right, Hillary can't control Bill. You cannot try to control a man. Really let's be honest with ourselves. Men are gonna do what they want want to do, no matter how hard we try to fight.
Next I really want to get back to Travelagent and answer her question about NAFTA.
TA what can we do? The jobs have already been sent to different countries. It's not like we can change what's already happened, we need to move forward. If Barack happens to get into office which he's not. Saying all this about change, he's going to get the same workload as anyone of the candidates.
So basically it's down to personality. Besides Hillary's Health Care Plan. Barack is a smooth clean cat that talks a lot about nothing. Not to get negative but he sounds a like a Pastor to me, when he's giving his speeches.
First he starts off slow and quiet, selling you dreams. Then all of a sudden he get louder and louder then tears start falling down your eyes.
Then you realize Hey wait, this is not my Pastor, it's Barack.
Just like your Pastor. |
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lisajkv lets face it most of these folks just care about making history and telling their grandkids about the moment a black man became president.
It is clear that some people didn't start watching these debates until it came down to racial confrontation, a black man vs a white woman sort of like the democratic version of the family feud. Anyone who watched the debates from the beginning knows that healthcare was one of the biggest issues that HC and BO debated heavily about along with Edwards BO never wanted universal healthccare which HC did as well as Edwards but again since he thinks so much time has lapsed since the first debates with all the candidatess, no one would recongnize what he is doing. He is doing what he acusses HC of doing all the time and that is flip flopping.
He is flip floppimg by saying he wants to make health care for all now when he knows all along he only wanted children to be covered and the parents can purchase it if they want but it is not mandatory I guess he felt stupid and finally realized that if the sick parent can't get it than how will they be able to take care of a healthy baby.
I guess common since really does work wonders when you really try to use it in BO's case.
Seeing all the chaos going on in the world today why in the blue hell would people want a inexperienced and unprepared newbie to clean up another dumbfounded unexperienced newbies mess GW circa 2000 election.
Oh thats right I forgot because this inexperienced stuttering newbie is black and that makes a difference because....... Oh yeah he wants to hope it will all change,I feel better now.
By the way people we don't need an elected official to really tell us what is best for the economy, its the common sense thing again put down your foreign car keys and by american thats a start. |
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Hillary and Bill Clinton are on trial for fraud. the media is just not letting the story out.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummary/index.asp
Speaking of guilt by association, the Clinton former pastor. Reverend William Procanick was convicted of Child Molestation. He was charged with 1st degree sexual assault.
http://www.uticaod/homepage/x16376768
Judge Aurelio (Clinton appointee) has stated that Hillary will not have to testify until after the nomination. How much bull can you find in that decision? |
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@lisajkv
Only 11% of the country's population is African American, Barack can not be where he is with just the AA vote. Also AA have always voted democrat (about 40% of registered AA voters) so AA don't have a problem voting for white people, we always have. |
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I'll say it again for all you "Bill Clinton was the first black president. The real 3:00a.m. call came from Ruwanda. It was for assistance with the unrest. Bill Clinton decided the U.S. would not intervene because the "incident" was not deemed important to the U.S. Subsequently, 800,000 blacks were slaughtered. Do you honestly believe that if 800,000 Jews were left to die, the person who ignored them would be admired by the rest of them. Wake up!
Paul v. Clinton
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummary/
index.asp case # BC304174
In other news. YOUTUBE "The Video Hillary Doesn't Want You To See" For some strange reason, none of the major news outlets will speak on this. It has been reported in any jounalist publications. How can a person campaigning to be president of the U. S. and be on trial for fraud"
Talk about guilt by association: The Clinton's previous pastor Reverend William Procanick has been convicted of Child Molestation.
http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857
The Clinton's present pastor, Reverend Dean Snyder has stated that Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a an outstanding church leader. He has heard him speak a number of times. He said, Reverend Wright has served for decades as a profound voice for justice in our society.... Reverend Snyder remarked...Those of us who are White Americans would do to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than use a few quotes to polorize. This is a critical time in America's history as we seek to repent for our racism. Guess Hillary will have to leave that church, Ya Think?
Get the word out about the TRIAL. Information has been distributed around many colleges in an attempt to get it distributed. Keep passing it on.
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May 12, 2008
Barr announces presidential bid
Posted: 11:30 AM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Watch part of Bob Barr's announcement Monday.
(CNN) – Former Republican Rep. Bob Barr formally jumped into the White House race Monday as a candidate for the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination.
Barr, the onetime darling of conservatives who led the impeachment fight against former President Bill Clinton, said he is running because voters want a choice beyond the two political parties.
"They believe that America has more and better to offer than what the current political situation is serving up to us," he said Monday at the National Press Club in Washington. "The reason for that is very simple, they believe in America as I believe in America. We believe in an America that is not and should not be and should never be driven by fear as current policies on behalf of both parties are in this country."
Barr, 59, represented Georgia's 7th congressional district from 1995-2003, and became an increasingly vocal critic of President Bush, especially over the president's support of the Patriot Act. He formally left the Republican Party in 2006.
It remains unclear how much support he will draw, but CNN's Bill Schneider says Barr could be to John McCain what Ralph Nader was to Al Gore in 2000.
"If this is an extremely close election, even if Bob Barr gets a handful of votes, it could make a difference, just as Ralph Nader once did," Schneider said. "He is a conservative who attracts mostly Republican voters. He is critical of the Iraq war. McCain supports the Iraq war. There are many conservatism and Republicans who ware critical of the war in Iraq and some of them may decide to vote for Bob Barr to register their protests.
Related Video: Watch Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider give his take on Barr's entry to the race and the latest superdelegate count.
Filed under: Bobb Barr
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